New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

[Porty]

She is destined for PPAG stardom. Her leash must run out soon, surely.?

[Bob Jefferson]

She seems to be obsessed with leases:

I would like you to give me at lease one good reason

And here's yet another example of the misspelling of the word 'lose' that is driving me nuts!

They will loose out. Right now the only people who are loosing out is the community because everyone looses a huge green space

Lose the extra 'o'.

[Betty Windsor]

Is that the best you can do? criticise her spelling.
The bullies are at it again.
What do you think Mrs McArthur would think of such behaviour. Then again discipline is on the decline at PHS.
She regularly trawls these pages apparently, must have nothing better to do.

[seanie]

I only critiqued her comments.

[Lashylass]

You criticised her spelling not her comments.

[Bob Jefferson]

At the risk of upsetting what appears to be a significant minority of the population, I am going to continue to complain every time someone misspells the word 'lose'. Whether or not they support a school on the park is neither here nor there. I'm on a mission from God. And I would like to think that I have Mrs McArthur's full support on this.

[seanie]

You criticised her spelling not her comments.

Where did I do that?

[Lashylass]

Not going there Sean - yes you did, no I didn't goes nowhere.

[seanie]

You're talking shite again. I didn't make any comments about spelling.

[seanie]

Oh look...a school next to a golf course.

[seanie]

Presumably the Holyrood Parent Council are campaigning to have Duddingston Golf Course shut down and replaced by housing on Health & Safety grounds?

What do you think Lashylass?

[Porty]

Not going there Sean - yes you did, no I didn't goes nowhere.

Try reading Sean's contributions again. There's less than a handful. You've made a total arse of yourself. Quite funny really.

[portygeoff]

Can somebody tell me who this lashylass guy really is please. He is very annoying; makes claims but does not actually provide any evidence of what he is talking about. I get really fed up with all these pretend names. If you have something important to say then why not put your name to it.

And if lashylass feels that I am being unfair. Yes you did say it, you know you said it, but I am not going to tell you what you said oer where you said it because you know you said.

Aye, its nuts and just a tad pathetic.

[Puerto bella]

I dont really post on here much for that reason - cant be arsed with the anonymity carry on.
Its easy to have balls when you're hiding behind a tag, less easy having a difficult conversation in the street.
Names much healthier. You all know who I am in real life anyhow.
BTW I thought Lashy was a lassie?

[Porty]

As far as I am aware there has only been one TP/POL contributor who was barred/suspended for having multiple ID's and holding supportive conversations with his various aliases. And needless to say he was anti-school.

http://forum.talkporty.org/viewtopic.ph ... 751#p55751

Dave Connelly.

I'm not suggesting or speculating that Dave has added Lashy to his suite of TP personell. However, the styles are very similar; make things up, never factually engage and never back down when proven wrong, occasional bullying references and inferences about others using multiple ID's.

It was a long time ago and you will see from the above that Dave knew all about software which masked or created spoof IP addresses.
I clearly recall asking Dave why using software that masked one's IP address would be appropriate on a community forum? Never did get an answer.

I wonder who Lashy is?

[Puerto bella]

I wouldnt waste your timing thinking about it Porty. Its all stuff and nonsense, smoke and mirrors. I can think of another who was barred and he's on the Save Porty Park Fb page and rating all over his web site - some cracking defamatory remarks on there. These people think they are clever. Sad really.

[Porty]

I know but it does have a serious side. Dave was amongst the first of the very few who fanned the flames that there was online bullying taking place and it appeared that some others agreed with him. Mutiple ID's can be used to create a bad atmosphere. The participants could not or would not engage on a factual basis so they deployed dirty tactics instead.

The allegations of bullying and of supposedly biased thread moderation (against Bob, Marya and Bellybabe) were premeditated attempts to denigrate both TP and POL , especially in the eyes of PCC and it worked.

[Mark Cameron]

In the spirit of an open and transparent community why don't we trial a new approach?

Posts will only be replied to where a real name has been included.

Never know It might catch on and who knows people might also put on a photo of themself in place of their avatar.

positive action by positive porty people.

[Epykat]

In the spirit of an open and transparent community why don't we trial a new approach?

Posts will only be replied to where a real name has been included.

Never know It might catch on and who knows people might also put on a photo of themself in place of their avatar.

positive action by positive porty people.

You first.......

[Makaveli]

Even if I put my real name folk wouldn't even know who I am so why bother?

Nor would most folk care either to be honest.

[regent]

Hello my name is April and I am a talk porty user!

[Mark Cameron]

Hi April my name is Mark. I've been a talk porty user for 5 years. I'm still attending the weekly therapy group - TP Anonymus but feel things are definately becoming more Positive.

[seanie]

Well I'm certainly not going to reveal my carefully concealed identity.

[regent]

Is it an anagram?

[regent]

Or is it:
School
Essential
And
Needed
Immediately
Everyone

[regent]

Or is that just you Sean?

[regent]

Bob is another on hiding his true identity, it was a harder nut to crack but I think I got it now!

Build
On
Boys!

He is obviously a she trying to lead us off the scent by appearing to be a bit sexist. Tragic really.

[Puerto bella]

He he he. I'm Suzanne and I've had a TP habit for years.

[regent]

You just getting in there before I get creative on your screen name! Lol

[Franck]

I know but it does have a serious side. Dave was amongst the first of the very few who fanned the flames that there was online bullying taking place and it appeared that some others agreed with him. Mutiple ID's can be used to create a bad atmosphere. The participants could not or would not engage on a factual basis so they deployed dirty tactics instead.

The allegations of bullying and of supposedly biased thread moderation (against Bob, Marya and Bellybabe) were premeditated attempts to denigrate both TP and POL , especially in the eyes of PCC and it worked.

I've never seen anything on here that can come close to online bullying....complete bawbaggery-yes, bullying-no.

Talkporty is by far and away the tamest forum I've ever encountered, there must be an influx of gentle wee flowers into the Portobello area if they think this is bullying.

[Makaveli]

I have said the same thing before Franck about this forum - by far the tamest I have ever seen!!!

[Porty]

I agree Franck. Time and time again contributors have been asked to provide examples of bullying and I have yet to see one. The idea there was bullying going on started with posts like this one, which was aimed at Bob when he was a moderator.

(Bob Jefferson wrote:Dave, our policy is that posts that any moderator feels may be in breach of guidelines are removed to a hidden forum to allow the moderator team time to come to a decision concerning them, particularly in situations where not all moderators are around to contribute to that discussion, as in this case. I had problems with one particular post and two others relating to it were removed at the same time.)


Thanks Bob,

I understand the need for moderation, I was just a bit worried in case posts were being removed that generally disagreed with the views held by the moderators, thereby making the forum biased. I haven't had the chance to read all of the postings over the last few days.

I am sure that this wasn't the case, however, if for instance all of the moderators held the same view regarding a particular subject, then it could be construed that the whole forum revolved around the beliefs of a few people thereby discriminating against other people who did not hold the same view.

I am pleased that you are taking a stance against the bullies and scaremongers if that was what was happening.

A skillfuly constructed "dirty tricks" post. Claims not to have read the posts which were moderated but manages to infer there was bullying, scaremongering, biased moderation and then suggests TP itself is biased and discriminates against a particular pont of view.

All that was then required was one or two other contributors to place the "bullying" slur in the pysche of those who are unfamiliar with how Forums operate. And very shortly thereafter we had this:

In response to the suggestion that I am an alias for Portobellosite or Rex Mundi, I am not. Since registering with the forum on 8th March I have made 12 posts under my user name, and none under any other user name. This will be my 13th post, and my last, because I think there is bullying and intimidation going on here and I want nothing further to do with it.

I agree with Keir Hardie 100%, there is a lot of on line bullying in this thread, and in my opinion a lot of it comes from one member, who shall remain nameless at the moment, enough to say i was/ am offended by this member myself and have sent him a E Mail to explain why. But yes i agree with Keir.

Bullying is not even for the playground anymore, and should be eradicated everywhere..... but will it ........no........why.......because adults can't set a good enough example from our children to learn from........

My goodness if there are 4 seperate posters all claiming there is bullying going on, it must be true!!

At the time, the mods were confident Keir Hardie , Rex Mundi, portobellonsite and Dave Connelly was just one person masquerading, creating a discussion where seemingly seperate individuals all agreed there was bullying going on.

Mrs Mangle and Lashylass could be entirely seperate persons.

[Makaveli]

I have seen this kind of multiple accounts before on another forum and looking at the above it smacks of being the same person writing posts from two different accounts.

They usually get found out cause the writing style is very similar and their tendency to '100%' agree with their alter ego's posts!!!

[Porty]

I'm sure its fairly common across the internet but is more harmful on a small community site ike this one. There's not many like us.

If anyone else would like to pursue a mutiple ID strategy here's a handy hint for those who may wish to invest in a more professional approach:

I think in the never ending quest to find out who everyone is, someone has been peeking at IP addresses or passwords or something along those lines.

If thats the case its probably one of the administrators or someone who bought a program which identifies/produces false/masks IP addresses. (£200 on amazon)

Handy that, eh?

[Franck]

I agree Franck. Time and time again contributors have been asked to provide examples of bullying and I have yet to see one. The idea there was bullying going on started with posts like this one, which was aimed at Bob when he was a moderator.

(Bob Jefferson wrote:Dave, our policy is that posts that any moderator feels may be in breach of guidelines are removed to a hidden forum to allow the moderator team time to come to a decision concerning them, particularly in situations where not all moderators are around to contribute to that discussion, as in this case. I had problems with one particular post and two others relating to it were removed at the same time.)


Thanks Bob,

I understand the need for moderation, I was just a bit worried in case posts were being removed that generally disagreed with the views held by the moderators, thereby making the forum biased. I haven't had the chance to read all of the postings over the last few days.

I am sure that this wasn't the case, however, if for instance all of the moderators held the same view regarding a particular subject, then it could be construed that the whole forum revolved around the beliefs of a few people thereby discriminating against other people who did not hold the same view.

I am pleased that you are taking a stance against the bullies and scaremongers if that was what was happening.

A skillfuly constructed "dirty tricks" post. Claims not to have read the posts which were moderated but manages to infer there was bullying, scaremongering, biased moderation and then suggests TP itself is biased and discriminates against a particular pont of view.

All that was then required was one or two other contributors to place the "bullying" slur in the pysche of those who are unfamiliar with how Forums operate. And very shortly thereafter we had this:

In response to the suggestion that I am an alias for Portobellosite or Rex Mundi, I am not. Since registering with the forum on 8th March I have made 12 posts under my user name, and none under any other user name. This will be my 13th post, and my last, because I think there is bullying and intimidation going on here and I want nothing further to do with it.

I agree with Keir Hardie 100%, there is a lot of on line bullying in this thread, and in my opinion a lot of it comes from one member, who shall remain nameless at the moment, enough to say i was/ am offended by this member myself and have sent him a E Mail to explain why. But yes i agree with Keir.

Bullying is not even for the playground anymore, and should be eradicated everywhere..... but will it ........no........why.......because adults can't set a good enough example from our children to learn from........

My goodness if there are 4 seperate posters all claiming there is bullying going on, it must be true!!

At the time, the mods were confident Keir Hardie , Rex Mundi, portobellonsite and Dave Connelly was just one person masquerading, creating a discussion where seemingly seperate individuals all agreed there was bullying going on.

Mrs Mangle and Lashylass could be entirely seperate persons.

Well, to use the vernacular, what a loadypish.