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Post by rapunzell » 01 Apr 2011, 09:27

Sad news.

http://local.stv.tv/edinburgh/news/1442 ... n-growing/

Portobello non-profit group, PEDAL Porty have been forced to make all their staff redundant this week after their latest bid to the Scottish Government’s Climate Challenge Fund was unsuccessful. In a blog post announcing the funding loss, a spokesperson said:

“Despite this year’s projects meeting and exceeding targets we were not granted further funds for April 2011 – March 2012. It is very disappointing news, as we were hoping to build on the successes of this year and develop several new projects, but we understand the competition for this round of CCF was very high. We would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has contributed and taken part in our projects this year, and made them such a success.”

In spite of the funding set-back, the group has resolved to continue with as much of their work as possible on a voluntary basis, whilst further funding is sought from other sources. One of their projects that has not been affected is a “Grow Your Own Course” that is run in partnership with the Telferton Allotment Association. The course aims to help people improve their food growing skills. There is space for five people on the course. Participants will receive expert guidance over four weeks from experienced allotment holder, Dave Roberts. After the four week course is over, participants will be allocated a space to grow on the Telferton allotment site for the rest of the year. Places cost £15 each. You can find out more about the Grow Your Own Scheme on the PEDAL Porty website.

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Post by GRANTY » 01 Apr 2011, 10:58

This make me really sad. It takes a while for organisations to establish themeselves and from what I can see, PEDAL were moving very much in the right direction.

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Post by Sandra » 01 Apr 2011, 11:40

really disappointed, thought PEDAL were doing great things. Loved the Organic Market.

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Post by wangi » 01 Apr 2011, 12:08

I guess this will reduce PEDALs capacity, but it doesn't mean the end...
http://pedal-porty.org.uk/2011/03/disappointing-news/
Unfortunately we have just heard that PEDAL’s bid for Climate Challenge Funding for the com­ing year was unsuc­cess­ful. The cur­rent fund­ing ran from last April to the end of March this year, and des­pite this year’s pro­jects meet­ing and exceed­ing tar­gets we were not gran­ted fur­ther funds for April 2011 – March 2012.

It is very dis­ap­point­ing news, as we were hop­ing to build on the suc­cesses of this year and develop sev­eral new pro­jects, but we under­stand the com­pet­i­tion for this round of CCF was very high.

We would like to take this oppor­tun­ity to thank every­one who has con­trib­uted and taken part in our pro­jects this year, and made them such a success.

PEDAL will of course con­tinue on a vol­un­tary basis, and aim to carry on devel­op­ing local grow­ing, redu­cing fossil fuel use, low car­bon travel and work­ing towards zero waste.

To work towards a sus­tain­able Portobello we need as many people as pos­sible to get involved, so please get in touch if you have ideas, time and energy to contribute.
Sandra wrote:really disappointed, thought PEDAL were doing great things. Loved the Organic Market.
Head along tomorrow, and PEDAL are looking for volunteers:
"Portobello Organic Market will take place as usual on the first Saturday of the month, 2nd of April. There will be all kinds of fantastic seasonal and local produce for sale at your favourite regular stalls plus newcomers Supernate Oil (rape seed oil grown in Midlothian using low impact farming techniques and bottled on-site), Home Ground Coffee Ltd (speciality roasted coffee beans ground to you specification) and Antonia Kearton cards (post cards of Portobello).

Due to early morning demand, please note the market will now run from 9.30 am to 1.30 pm every month.

The market needs your support! PEDAL's funding for the market runs out on 31st March, so April's will be our first without any paid staff. We have contracted Market Craft to set up and take down the stalls, as well as sorting out the paperwork, but we still need volunteers to steward at the market each month. This is a fun and rewarding role assisting traders and shoppers, running the PEDAL stall, helping with publicity, and for regular volunteers we provide first aid training. There are two shifts that you can choose from: 9-11.30 or 11.30-2. If you would like an opportunity to help promote local and organic food and crafts, meet new people and learn new skills, then please don't be shy - contact Tom Black at tom@pedal-porty.org.uk or on 0131 258 4483. We really need your support now if the market is to continue."

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Post by Porty » 01 Apr 2011, 12:52

The Organic Market kills trade on the High Street.
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Post by Sandra » 01 Apr 2011, 18:13

noticed earlier on poster on railing by central bar that market is on tomorrow :D =D>

Porty, don't believe that is true. I think it is likely that people attending the market will use the High St too.

Plus, the market is only on once a month, hardly killing the High St.

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Post by mehitabel » 01 Apr 2011, 20:35

- re the comment about the Organic Market 'killing the High Street' ......
Having helped out at some of the monthly markets it is much more likely that people are coming into Portobello from round about or staying in Porty to do their shopping on these Saturday mornings because of the market.
Pedal has done great work -getting the market and numerous other sustainable projects up and running.
A bit more constructive support from locals is what is needed in these difficult times not unfounded criticism of local community enterprise.

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Post by Porty » 02 Apr 2011, 11:03

Sandra wrote:Porty, don't believe that is true. I think it is likely that people attending the market will use the High St too.Plus, the market is only on once a month, hardly killing the High St.
I'm not complaining, its just a fact. The "likely" drift of people to the high street from the market is a myth, in my opinion. Perhaps other traders (cafe's etc) have a different experience?

Killing the high street is a tad strong, what I ought to have said was "our takings are significantly down on Saturdays when the market is on" . Moving it to a sunday might be good for the high street. At the moment its just a rates free opportunity for opportunists to take revenue from the retailers who operate year round. Do the organic traders pay rent?

I'm not knocking PEDAL either there is no doubt that they mean well and they have achieved quite a bit. Although from what I can gather, blowing most of their previous funding on "consultants" has queered their pitch.
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Post by Porty » 02 Apr 2011, 11:12

mehitabel wrote:-
A bit more constructive support from locals is what is needed in these difficult times not unfounded criticism of local community enterprise.

What's needed is a coordinated approach to boosting the Portobello shopping experience. I can only convey the effect it has on our business and market Saturday's are bad. Your shop may do well methabel but ours does not- its simply a fact.

As for "Local community enterprise ?" Seems to me this amounts to little more than a construct of a lentil addled brain. What does the phrase "local community enterprise" mean in relation to the organic market?

And while you are at it, could you point out the "unfounded criticism" you refer to? I can't find it.
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 02 Apr 2011, 12:12

I think the organic market is 'a nice thing to have' in Brighton Park. I'm not usually able to make it because of other family commitments but I had a look round this morning and bought items totalling around £15. Like everyone else, I have a limited budget so that's £15 I now won't be spending elsewhere. I doubt that the market increases trade for Findlay's, Williamson's or Kitchener's on the days it operates, given the produce on offer, and I would not be surprised to learn that their takings are down. If the reverse is true, I would be interested to see the evidence. In the long term, the market needs to be viable on its own merits without any sort of funding.

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Post by Porty » 02 Apr 2011, 13:41

You mean they get funding to set up in competition with our High Street- you have to be kidding. What sort of stuff is sold there and where to the local stall holders hail from?
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 02 Apr 2011, 13:56

I'm not saying that the stall holders are subsidised, but I'm guessing that there must be some cost involved in putting these events on in terms of promotion, liability insurance, providing the stalls etc and presumably these have so far been met by Pedal, whose funding is largely in the form of grants. Local? Well, Findlay's don't have a stall, because it would mean allocating one or two members of staff on their busiest trading day and that would be unlikely to be cost-effective, but there are other stall-holders selling competing products from Auchtermuchty to Duns.

Full list of today's stall-holders

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Post by Porty » 02 Apr 2011, 14:36

There is no doubt that it is popular with porty residents but its likely detrimental to those trying to earn a living from the high street. I bet findlays would love the opportunity to open say on a Friday and Saturday, only pay rent,rates, heat, light and staff costs for two days a week.

I don't feel strongly enough to want it stopped, live and let live. However, there's no point pandering to the well intentioned PEDALERS who clearly believe the Organic Market is good for all, its not.

If, as you suggest, the traders come from outwith the locality where is the"local community enterprise" benefit that Mehitabel imagines?
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Post by wangi » 02 Apr 2011, 15:15

Porty wrote:If, as you suggest, the traders come from outwith the locality where is the"local community enterprise" benefit that Mehitabel imagines?
The market is just one thing PEDAL are involved with; I imagine Mehitabel was talking about PEDAL's complete range of projects.

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Post by Porty » 02 Apr 2011, 15:24

The more I think about it the more mental it gets.

Shops on PHS struggle to succeed, hence the proliferation of charity shops, who pay no rates, staff and don't pay for the stock they sell. "Real" shops cannot make it pay. Loads of people moan about theses shops. We all want more choice on the High Street don't we? We didn't want a superstore, partly because we saw a threat to the shops already on the high street. So what happens?

Someone, an Organist, decides to create a market on the saturday after pay day every month, it is the big retail weekend. How much revenue is diverted from our high street traders to the itinerant marketeers? I don't know the answer but however much it is its not good and could be the difference between success and failure for some. Portobello is not Castle Terrace or the Grassmarket it is not robust enough to absorb competition. Some people seem to believe that the OM increses the take on the High Street. I'm saying its quite the opposite and i could prove it, if so inclined. Has anyone thought to ask our permanant traders?
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Post by Porty » 02 Apr 2011, 15:27

wangi wrote:The market is just one thing PEDAL are involved with; I imagine Mehitabel was talking about PEDAL's complete range of projects.
Could well be but I didn't interpret it that way. What sort of things have PEDAL done that could be categorised as "local community enterprise?"
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Post by Sandra » 02 Apr 2011, 22:44

Bob Jefferson wrote:I'm not saying that the stall holders are subsidised,
stallholders are not subsidised they have to pay their way, whether by a full stall, half or a percentage of takings.

http://pedal-porty.org.uk/food/portobel ... llholders/
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Post by Sandra » 02 Apr 2011, 22:51

Porty wrote:I can only convey the effect it has on our business and market Saturday's are bad. Your shop may do well methabel but ours does not- its simply a fact.
Can you explain? Don't understand why organic market makes business bad for pawn shop. They are both totally different things, so don't believe you can compare and the market only runs for one Saturday out of four.

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Post by Makaveli » 02 Apr 2011, 23:00

Can only speak for me and my family but we find ourselves coming into the High Street (and the shops) whenever the market is on as the market is something different to the norm. We do go to the High Street often but the market is kind of a motivation to get ourselves moving on a Saturday morning.

Maybe it should be up to the 'regular' traders from the High Street to embrace the market and the punters it attracts and try and get them to come to their shops as well as the market.

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Post by Porty » 03 Apr 2011, 14:13

I could be wrong and perhaps the market has a positive effect for the rest of the High Street, I might do some research and find out. Sandra, I don't know whats sold at the market and I agree that there would seem to be no correlation between an organic market and a pawnshop. What we experience is a drop in takings on the saturday when the mrket takes place. The volume of people on the high street drops significantly, a lot of our custom is passing trade, we sell lots and lots of quality pre-owned jewellery, sometimes it is is to destination shoppers other times it is passers by who buy on impulse.Same goes for travel money.

So it does have a negative effect on our business, so what is it doing to the shops who do sell similar stuff to whats on offer at the market?

The market is basically an opportunity for entrepreneurs to nip into Porty once a month, saturday after payday, scoop up some revenue and leave. Very little risk and almost no commitment.Some may call that sustainable, organic local community enterprise. I'd say its more akin to smash and grab.
Maka- what do you mean by high street traders embracing the market? I have a horrible feeling you mean that we should employ some extra staff to go hug the rent free competition.

I must stress I am not knocking PEDAL for their initiative and for delivering a Market that seems to be appreciated by many people. They probably thought there would be a positive knock on effect for the High Street. My experience tells me the opposite is true. Maybe other retailers feel differently?
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Post by Porty » 03 Apr 2011, 17:28

How may stalls are there? Who is "Market Craft"?

So the cost of a stall is £50 which means a stall holder can get 12 juicy saturdays for £600 a year It is unlikely but not beyond the realms of possibility they could make as much annual profit as some High Street shop do in those 12 days.
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Post by Makaveli » 03 Apr 2011, 18:52

To be fair I work in the oil industry so have no idea how to run a shop of any description. What I meant by embrace was try and get some of the punters that are along at the market to come to your shop (I don't know what you sell so it is difficult for me to say in what capacity you do this) by maybe advertising with flyers or maybe getting a stall a couple of times a year and showing what you sell.

As I say I don't want to make it sound like I am telling anyone how to run their business but I think if it were me I would be trying to grab a piece of the action that the market generates.

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Post by Porty » 03 Apr 2011, 19:34

Our commitment to Portobello already costs us £20k plus a year in rent and rates to grab a bit of the high street action. Now some well meaning people have created a low cost option for competitors to diminish our opportunity, making it harder for us to succeed. Flyers and embracing adds more cost to our business, all to combat what are basically fly by nights.
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Post by Tommy Black » 05 Apr 2011, 00:07

Dear folks,

Just wanted to chip in ref. the organic market. There has been much speculation and conjecture. Truth is there are many traders at the market who are locals not "fly by nights". These include Pop In café, four or five of the craft stallholders and until recently we also had Kitcheners (who were selling cheeses but couldn’t make it work). Fishmonger GA Thompson is also local. Problem with trying to give pitches to local traders at a food market is that not much food is actually grown/produced in Porty! Therefore by necessity our stallholders are drawn from across southeast Scotland. Having said that you don’t have to be a producer to sell at the market – you just need to be selling organic and/or locally (SE Scotland) produced stuff. So local folk can take the initiative.

Also PEDAL did a survey of the impact of the market on some High St shops back in October - all stated either a positive or neutral impact on trade. We spoke with Findlays (neutral impact), Williamsons (neutral), Banana Republic (neutral), The Espy (positive) and Kitcheners (positive). The first two said they have a very loyal customer base so aren’t too concerned. And our own customer survey showed over 70% of shoppers at the market are local, so I guess that means people are buying stuff at the market instead of the supermarkets? Or maybe people are just buying more stuff? I don’t know.

Both surveys (High Street shops and market customers) were however after only two markets so perhaps we do need to go back and ask them again. However, if High St business is shown to be down on the first Saturday of the month I’d want to make sure we can properly discern whether this is because of the market (or not).

Maybe it’s my lentil addled brain, but I didn’t realise the first Saturday of the month is the one after payday! When setting the date for the market we were more concerned about attracting traders – there are so few organic producers / retailers that we wanted to make sure we had it on a date when other farmers markets weren’t running (Castle Terrace, Haddington, Balerno). Our aim is not so much to make big profits but to promote and grow the locally-produced and organic food and crafts economy.

What is local community enterprise? In my book it is business run on a not-for-private profit basis by an organization that has a membership structure open to all who live in a defined area. This is what PEDAL is. Our ‘profits’ are not distributed to individuals but are used to do more of what we're set up for – sustainability projects. So it is fundamentally different from private business. Of course the stallholders are private businesses but I can tell you few if any are raking it in – you only need to look at the turnover (in stallholders) to recognize that. Most are running fledgling, fragile organic or artisan businesses and putting in huge hours for small reward. I salute them! And if local traders are feeling the pinch, then why not start stocking more locally-produced and organic stuff – if more of the stuff was available on the High St then we wouldn’t need to be running a market!

I agree with Porty’s point that we need a co-ordinated approach to regenerating the High Street, and I know PEDAL are happy to get involved in any such discussion / initiative. :)

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Post by rmolehusband » 05 Apr 2011, 15:07

Porty wrote:And while you are at it, could you point out the "unfounded criticism" you refer to? I can't find it.
I would suggest this comment by yourself
Porty wrote:The Organic Market kills trade on the High Street.
So far as I can see the only evidence you've provided is that your takings are down on the day on the market and, regrettable as that is, by your own admission it's a bit of a leap from that to 'killing trade on the high street'.

What is your business (unless of course that's none of my business)?
Porty wrote:What sort of stuff is sold there and where to the local stall holders hail from?
You mean you've never been along to see? If I ran a business and found my takings down, and decided this was due to some new competitor, I think I'd at least go along and check out what they were offering. No?

I have every sympathy for any trader trying to operate in the current financial climate, and in the face of the ever expanding ubermarkets and soul sucking out of town megaplexes, but I'd suggest your being a bit harsh here on what is a real positive for Porty.

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Post by Porty » 06 Apr 2011, 14:21

rmolehusband wrote: You mean you've never been along to see? If I ran a business and found my takings down, and decided this was due to some new competitor, I think I'd at least go along and check out what they were offering. No?
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With the exception of the saturday between xmas and new Year, since the end of august 2010 I have been working in my shop every saturday. We are a start up (2 shops only one in porty) and it is very specialist, as yet I have no staff. We are on the verge of recruiting but it will be months rather than weeks before I can leave the shop on a saturday.

I retracted the statement about killing the high street, it was too strong. On Monday I set about calling some local businesses to get a feel for their perspective. So far I have spoken to staff or owners from the following businesses. I did promise some that I would not make their responses public but I'm more than happy to share them with Tommy and/or Pedal.

Acorn Pet Centre
Artisan
Baguette Express
Bananna Republic
Blue Bean Cafe
C&M Fashions
Findlays
Fine Wine Company
Kitcheners
Portobello Stationers
Scotmid
Semi Chem
The Beach House
Williamson
Woodwares

I was interested in discovering the market has effect on takings on the Saturday in question. And what the overall attitude was the continuance of the market is. The latter is a bit of a moving feast, as a manager, supervisor or general staff member may have quite a different take than an owner. For example: an owner may be acutely aware of takings being down and a manager or supervisor may enjoy a less frenetic day. One would likely plump FOR and the other AGAINSt the market. I am waiting on a respnse from one of the 15 businesses.

Trading in General:

Sadly, the bulk of respondents stated that they are having a tough time,they believe due to the general downturn and the weather. 4 of the 6 owners that I talked with, who are long term operators here in Porty said they had never known it so bad. Scotmid and a few others expressed similar opinions.

Organic Market Saturday
Takings & Market continuing

1 trader was extremly positive about the effect the market had on takings.
8 out of 14 traders stated their was a neutral effect on their takings.
5 out of 14 traders takings are down.
4 out of 14 respondents would rather the market stopped
9 were in favour of continuance mainly becuse they recognise that the public like it
1 wasn't bothered either way.


Other Points Raised:
Concerns were expressed that the market was no longer run by PEDAL but by a private company.
Some questioned the cost of a stall, suggesting that it was more than £50.
There were concerns expressed about the introduction of competitors as a further threat to the high street.
There were concerns that the mnarket may become more frequent, perhaps fortnightly then weekly.
There wad general consent that the market was good for the community, giving them more choice and a different, mor organic shopping experience.
Many expressed that they may feel differently as the summer unfolds, when the market shoudl get busier.

Maybe Tommy would like to clear up some of those points?

On the subject of local traders and the example given of GA Thomson, a local fishmonger. I know "The Fish" personally and yes he has lived in Portobello for a very long time. The business once had 3 or 4 shops in the city and I think still trade out corstorphine way? I hope they do well at the market. However, they've never had a physical presence in porty and now have a low cost opportunity to set up in competition with Williamsons, peachy.
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 06 Apr 2011, 14:49

I have a.particular issue with the fish stall. We are very fortunate in Portobello to have a high street fishmonger and while I doubt that it's making much of a dent in their profits, I'm sure that Williamsons don't appreciate the (unfair) competition. And if you want to buy sustainable fish, just try asking for it. They just don't make a big deal about it. If you want a thriving local high street, you need to support the guys who are there.

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Post by Tommy Black » 07 Apr 2011, 20:08

Thanks for the research Porty – interesting results. I hope you’ll agree they aren’t exactly conclusive against the market though.
5 out of 14 traders takings are down
– down since when and because of what? Down on the first Saturday of every month only? And not all the traders you surveyed stock the same kind of produce our traders stock, so I would be interested to know exactly which traders were down.
9 were in favour of continuance mainly becuse they recognise that the public like it
– that’s good to know and is exactly what we are aiming for; a wide choice for the customer in particular more organic and sustainably produced food available locally.
Other Points Raised:
Concerns were expressed that the market was no longer run by PEDAL but by a private company.
Market Craft are a professional market operator. They have been running the operational side of things under contract to PEDAL since February. We use them mainly because we don’t have – nor do we want to have – stalls, space to store them, or staff to put them up and take them down. MC also ensure traders comply with the relevant legislation – that they are registered with the Council, have the right insurance, food hygiene training, etc. They also deal with taking the fees. And they employ two local lads on a sessional basis to help with the stalls (we put out an advert for them a few months ago, as we saw the benefit of creating some local employment, small though it is). However, PEDAL remains the license holder, has final say on what kind of produce is sold, and is responsible for the publicity side. So it’s still PEDAL’s market.
Some questioned the cost of a stall, suggesting that it was more than £50.
Nope it’s £50. Nothing to say this can’t be reviewed though, and it no doubt will be at some point.
There were concerns expressed about the introduction of competitors as a further threat to the high street.
As I said before, if there was more sustainable/organic produce sold in the High Street shops then yes I’d agree we would be competition. But there isn’t much. If local shops start stocking more of it then I think it would be job done for us.
There were concerns that the mnarket may become more frequent, perhaps fortnightly then weekly.
No plans for fortnightly or weekly at present. Interesting idea though …
There wad general consent that the market was good for the community, giving them more choice and a different, mor organic shopping experience.
Good to hear.
Many expressed that they may feel differently as the summer unfolds, when the market shoudl get busier.
Yes I think it will get busier as the weather improves (here’s hoping) and people want to shop outside, sit in the park and experience something different. I’d also say that the market will pull people into Porty for this reason, and that may bring a spin off benefit by increasing footfall for High Street shops too. Hopefully.

On the fishmonger, we too had our concerns when GA Thompson first approached us for a stall (ref. competition with Williamsons). We nearly said no. I buy my fish from Williamsons, and have had many chats with James about the market. He has never expressed any concerns. And he always lets us put up posters for the market (as do most of the other traders). If he does sell MSC or organic certified produce then he needs to make a big deal of it – otherwise how can customers know he does, and make the choice? But I don’t think he does, as my wife asked for organic fish once and was almost laughed out of the shop – told there is no such thing (untrue). But I do enjoy shopping at Williamson’s and it would be great if James and his crew would start stocking (or labeling) more sustainable fare.

We may carry out our own survey of the High Street traders soon, so it will be interesting to compare results.

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 07 Apr 2011, 20:53

I was under the impression that a fish like pollock, which I bought recently at Williamson's, was a sustainable alternative to cod, but I guess it's probably more complicated than that and some pollock is produced sustainably and given MSC accreditation and other pollock isn't. Then again, maybe consumer demand for MSC certified fish is itself depleting stocks?

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Re: Pedal - funding unsuccessful

Post by Maria » 07 Apr 2011, 21:16

Any fish is sustainable so long as it isn't popular.
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Re: Pedal - funding unsuccessful

Post by Bob Jefferson » 07 Apr 2011, 21:34

I generally find that the less popular fish like pollock and coley, regulars on the slab at Williamson's, are much cheaper and taste just as good. If they are also more sustainable, then that's a bonus.

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Re: Pedal - funding unsuccessful

Post by Porty » 08 Apr 2011, 00:22

Porty wrote:
Tommy Black wrote:Thanks for the research Porty – interesting results. I hope you’ll agree they aren’t exactly conclusive against the market though.
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Please don't be a prat Tommy. You seem to be keen to make this a for and against debate.

I conducted a telephone conversation with 15 traders in Portobello mainly on the High Street, to establish what their experience was on takings the saturday the market takes place. Hopefully you will have observed I did not draw any conclusions and I am not promoting for or against. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with any outcome you or anyone else suggests.

I do not claim to have carried out a survey. A proper survey would be costly as it would need to be robust, well designed and delivered without bias or persuasion. I had 15 conversations, it is not safe to draw conclusions from such an unscientific approach. Should PEDAL produce an independent impact survey, with full transparency about what is being sold at the market , who by ,and who is running the show- then who could argue with it?

I agree that Williamson's are supportive of the market, it is exactly what they told me., (What I presume was James ) thought it made very little difference to their takings but was overall a good thing; the most common response.

It doesn't seem to have crossed your mind or even be a concern that the Market is could be diverting footfall from the High Street on what should be the busiest retail day of the month. It is not solely about Organic produce being on offer. Most high street businesses depend on passing trade, regardless of what service they provide or goods they sell. If the market reduces High Street footfall, it cannot be good for those who make a lon-term finacial commitment to the High Street.

Out of interest and not just for me but other traders too, can you provide a list of traders who had pitches at the market last saturday, what they were selling and where they were from? Seems like GA Thomson is the only local, yes? There is a lack of understanding about what the markets actually is> Some say its an Organic, others say Its Farmers and some say theirs crafts etc on sale.

One thing I will go out on a limb with. If, during my conversation with business owners, i had informed them that the market was no longer being run or managed by PEDAL there would have been a lot more more negativity. Surely you can see why many people would take issue with a market they thought was a volunteer run local community . enterprise , manned by people rolling their sleeves up to deliver an organic market, that was in actual fact being outsourced to a management company?
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Re: Pedal - funding unsuccessful

Post by Porty » 08 Apr 2011, 08:49

Tommy Black wrote: We may carry out our own survey of the High Street traders soon, so it will be interesting to compare results.
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Re: Pedal - funding unsuccessful

Post by seanie » 08 Apr 2011, 09:01

The only organic fish is farmed.

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Re: Pedal - funding unsuccessful

Post by Porty » 08 Apr 2011, 14:45

seanie wrote:The only organic fish is farmed.
Correct. No wonder williamson's found it funny.
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