Prostitute Tolerance Zones

MrSpoon · Post by **MrSpoon** » 28 Jan 2005, 18:06

I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up Porty - but it's a bit rude really. The most important thing for me is to show love and compassion to everyone, and help where help is needed. I do not disagree that something needs to be done, of course I want to see that appropriate help is provided to prostitutes, the conversation on morality is mearly a tangent.

Get (more) relaxed Porty.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 28 Jan 2005, 18:10

Ok- MrSpoon my apologies if I was rude.

I actually am relaxed but I totally concur that my prose can easily be misconstrued. Tangents are fine by me, in fact I prefer them.

MrSpoon · Post by **MrSpoon** » 28 Jan 2005, 18:24

Grand

Would you like to talk about kittens and fluffy pillows? I love kittens

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 28 Jan 2005, 19:51

...and Porty's very fond of pillows according to the Anatomy thread

bellybabe · Post by **bellybabe** » 29 Jan 2005, 00:06

MrSpoon wrote:
As a Christian, the moral decisions is rather easy - I accept what it says in the Bible, and that is prostitution is not an acceptable practice.

Oh, absolutely...if the Bible says it, it must be true because it says so in the Bible.

Sorry Mr S but that was just too tempting

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Porty · Post by **Porty** » 29 Jan 2005, 03:17

MrSpoon wrote:Grand

Would you like to talk about kittens and fluffy pillows? I love kittens

Ok by me, why not? Are you certain its a tangent?

MrSpoon · Post by **MrSpoon** » 29 Jan 2005, 03:26

Bellybabe wrote:
MrSpoon wrote:
As a Christian, the moral decisions is rather easy - I accept what it says in the Bible, and that is prostitution is not an acceptable practice.
Oh, absolutely...if the Bible says it, it must be true because it says so in the Bible.

Sorry Mr S but that was just too tempting .

Accepting authority and truth of scripture is different to taking a literal interpretation - I've written my own essay on it, I can pm you it if you like.

Bob Jefferson · Post by **Bob Jefferson** » 29 Jan 2005, 09:25

Can't you prÃƒÂ©cis it so we can all consider your opinion on this matter? If the Bible is not to be taken literally, then surely anyone can interpret it to suit his/her ends? And if the bits that don't quite fit with our current understanding of science or sense of morality can be explained as allegory then what truth or authority can we attribute to the rest of it?

Perhaps it's time for a complete re-write?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 29 Jan 2005, 12:09

Bellybabe wrote:
MrSpoon wrote:
As a Christian, the moral decisions is rather easy - I accept what it says in the Bible, and that is prostitution is not an acceptable practice.
Oh, absolutely...if the Bible says it, it must be true because it says so in the Bible.

Sorry Mr S but that was just too tempting .

Gane, set and match... the girl's on a roll!!

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 29 Jan 2005, 14:46

The debate on Morality in the context of prostitution has created the vacumn which allows nothing meaningful to be done to fix the problem. While many do-gooders sit in their closeted positions of safety debating the rights and wrongs; innocent people continue to be, murdered, exploited, and sentenced to a ghastly, ghastly life.

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 29 Jan 2005, 14:53

Bob Jefferson wrote:Can't you prÃƒÂ©cis it so we can all consider your opinion on this matter? If the Bible is not to be taken literally, then surely anyone can interpret it to suit his/her ends? And if the bits that don't quite fit with our current understanding of science or sense of morality can be explained as allegory then what truth or authority can we attribute to the rest of it?

Perhaps it's time for a complete re-write?

Totally agree Bob. As far as I'm concerned the Bible is load of old cobbled together Folklore and only that. People who live by it clearly only choose the bits which suit them and ignore the rest..a bit like reading your horoscope. Reading BB's link just proves how much of it is wholly inappropriate to today

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 29 Jan 2005, 15:01

The case for tolerance zones seems to be a strong one, well documented by newspaper articles and T.V. programmes. Maggie O'Kane investigates violence against prostitutes

The problem isn't just a debate about morality PoP, but folk like you and me (and Bob?) who wouldn't like our homes to be in such a zone.

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 29 Jan 2005, 15:49

Marya wrote:The problem isn't just a debate about morality PoP, but folk like you and me (and Bob?) who wouldn't like our homes to be in such a zone.

That's why I suggested out of town earlier

Bob Jefferson · Post by **Bob Jefferson** » 29 Jan 2005, 16:04

Marya wrote:The problem isn't just a debate about morality PoP, but folk like you and me (and Bob?) who wouldn't like our homes to be in such a zone.

No, I wouldn't and neither I suspect would Margo MacDonald.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 29 Jan 2005, 19:59

The consensus appear to be PTZ are a good idea, its just a question of location.

There must be a workable solution?

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 30 Jan 2005, 15:06

Porty wrote:The consensus appear to be PTZ are a good idea, its just a question of location.

There must be a workable solution?

Let's ask member 301...or does he/she have another sport in mind

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 30 Jan 2005, 17:27

Could be a Rugby player.

CatzVP · Post by **CatzVP** » 30 Jan 2005, 20:44

What about PTZ at the PiTZ?

that would curb the superstore idea!

Brian McCrow · Post by **Brian McCrow** » 31 Jan 2005, 13:38

When I lived near Birmingham there was a street quite close to the centre of Birmingham frequented by prostitutes. When my wife and I visited a local function room we had to park in or near this street and walk along the street. It wasn't pleasant for us. The residents also complained frequently to the Council about problems caused to them as well by the prostitutes and their clients.

In my travels around different parts of the world I've seen different solutions to this eternal problem. This wasn't a personal research project!!

In Germany they have brothels and specific areas set aside for sex trade separate from normal streets and with restricted access.

In Amsterdam they have their Red light district.

In parts of the USA they have brothels out of town.

All of these have tight hygiene and health controls.

In most other countries they have girls and boys plying their trade openly in the streets with no regulation.

I would prefer a more regulated approach with brothels, health control etc. This will be good for both the prostitutes and clients. I believe that we will always have sex trade until it's replaced by some alternative like Soma in a Brave New World. So let's do something to prevent the exploitation of the girls and boys by unscrupulous pimps.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 31 Jan 2005, 13:47

CatzVP wrote:What about PTZ at the PiTZ? that would curb the superstore idea!

Prostitute Containment At The Seaside?

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 31 Jan 2005, 19:41

I don't really have a strong opinion on this one one way or the other. It is an eternal conundrum. However, the fact of the matter is that it is, at this point in time, illegal and as such these people are breaking the law. By setting up tolerance zones for people to break this particular law could then raise the question of whether or not we should have tolerance zones for other illegal things like burglary or vandalism. I'm surprised a defence lawyer hasn't thought of it already.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 28 Feb 2006, 14:05

Just got this out of the EN and I can scarcely believe that there are 700 prostitutes in Edinburgh City. That seems a huge number.

"Seven hundred women are believed to work as prostitutes in the city, with around ten per cent coming from outside the UK.

Police are now hunting the dozen or so women thought to be working against their will as part of Operation Pentameter - a nationwide initiative combating the rising tide of human trafficking. "

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 01 Mar 2006, 22:01

Porty wrote:Just got this out of the EN and I can scarcely believe that there are 700 prostitutes in Edinburgh City. That seems a huge number.

"Seven hundred women are believed to work as prostitutes in the city, with around ten per cent coming from outside the UK.

Police are now hunting the dozen or so women thought to be working against their will as part of Operation Pentameter - a nationwide initiative combating the rising tide of human trafficking. "

700 in a city the size of Edinburgh does seem like an astonishingly high number. If you take Edinburgh as having a population of approx 450,000 of which 67% are between the ages of 16 and 64 (from the 2001 census) and for the sake of argument 50% are women, that gives a ratio of 1 prostitute for every 215 men with the inclination or not

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 02 Mar 2006, 00:40

foxy wrote:700 in a city the size of Edinburgh does seem like an astonishingly high number. If you take Edinburgh as having a population of approx 450,000 of which 67% are between the ages of 16 and 64 (from the 2001 census) and for the sake of argument 50% are women, that gives a ratio of 1 prostitute for every 215 men with the inclination or not

Sounds like you are pulling together a business plan....

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » 02 Mar 2006, 02:03

Well, it looks to me like we're all a bunch of Nimbys i.e. not in by back yard. We all agree(well most of us) that it happens and it's fine so long as it doesn't affect us. Personally I agree that no matter what it's going to happen whether we like it or not. Therefore, it needs to be contained. I thought that if it happens indoors that it is legal i.e. if someone is operating from a flat the law cannot touch them. Therefore, it seems to me that if they are registered then that is a step in the right direction. What is the point in driving it underground? If we do not acknowledge that there is a problem then that is what will happen. Drugs are the main problem. You have to understand that in most cases the two are connected. Once you're hooked how much lower can you get? Selling your body is the least of your worries. Then you have the illegal immigrants who are forced into the game. How do you help them?

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 02 Mar 2006, 15:47

Pal of Porty wrote:
foxy wrote:700 in a city the size of Edinburgh does seem like an astonishingly high number. If you take Edinburgh as having a population of approx 450,000 of which 67% are between the ages of 16 and 64 (from the 2001 census) and for the sake of argument 50% are women, that gives a ratio of 1 prostitute for every 215 men with the inclination or not
Sounds like you are pulling together a business plan....

I've decided the odds are stacked against me making a success of it and besides Leel wouldn't give me a start-up grant...ageist I say

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 12 Dec 2006, 18:03

Pal of Porty wrote:Prostitution has been around for 1000's of years and the way it has been handled in the UK reminds me of the old adage:

"If you keep on doing what you have always done, you will keep on getting what you have always got."

It is time to break the mould. It needs to be legalised, controlled by license and set up in out of town brothels. Any prostitution outside of these perameters would be classed as illegal and clamped down on.

This would better protect the male and female prostitutes both physically and medically and contribute towards lowering associated crime.

How profound this post is in light of the situation that is unfolding in Ipswich at this time.