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Post by Bob Jefferson » 02 May 2008, 21:12

PPAG wrote:Research has shown that school children actually perform better in their exams during a decant.
This is a remarkable finding and one that could turn the whole education system on its head. The way forward now is clearly to decant all school children? However, before we take such drastic measures, perhaps we should just check the "facts". To make such a sweeping statement, I would assume that the author has evaluated a statistically significant number of cases and can provide reference to this evidence.

Then again, this is PPAG we are talking about. :roll:

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 02 May 2008, 21:30

OK, let's deal with the 'heart of the community' issue next. For starters, when we talk about a new PHS being the heart of the community we mean this in a metaphorical sense but that's obviously lost on PPAG.

However, if they want to talk geography then it's pretty obvious that Portobello Park is smack in the centre of the school catchment area. Check it out. Couldn't really be more central.

Is it further away from 'the centre of Portobello'? I have no idea. Where is the centre of Portobello? I imagine that some Porty kids will have slightly longer to walk and some will have slightly less to walk. And that's a fact.

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 02 May 2008, 22:00

I guess what really concerns me is that many local residents are receiving this PPAG propaganda and believing it to be true. On more than one occasion recently, people who don't know my position on the new school issue have regurgitated this sort of nonsense to me as though it were fact.

The facts are quite clear. We desperately need a new Portobello High School NOW. Portobello Park is the only suitable site and that is why it was given UNANIMOUS support by the Council.

Once people recognise that there is no alternative site, then it is pretty clear that we what we should all be doing is demanding that the Council and the Scottish Government stop playing political football with our children's education and start building schools.

The PPAG campaign is simply an annoying distraction. The real issue is the disgraceful attitude of politicians who quite clearly place zero importance on the education of young people in Scotland.

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Post by Porty » 03 May 2008, 23:58

Bob Jefferson wrote:OK, let's deal with the 'heart of the community' issue next. For starters, when we talk about a new PHS being the heart of the community we mean this in a metaphorical sense but that's obviously lost on PPAG.
Bob you are so niave.

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Post by Pal of Porty » 06 May 2008, 13:47

Bob Jefferson wrote:I guess what really concerns me is that many local residents are receiving this PPAG propaganda and believing it to be true.
Bob, I cannot imagine anyone, let alone parents of effected children, believe that a decant would be a positive circumstance for a child's education. PPAG are modelling themselves on the German World War II propaganda machinery. 8)
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 06 May 2008, 17:30

From the EN Letters Page a few days ago (4th letter down):

New school sums just don't add up

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Post by Porty » 06 May 2008, 21:00

I spotted Jean Douglas's letter today. "mortgage brokers" who can she mean?

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 08 May 2008, 18:35

And further comment from Andrew Burns relating to his EN piecehere.

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 12 May 2008, 09:45

From today's EN Letters Page (last letter down):

School must make economic sense

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 13 May 2008, 11:12

Copy of title deed pertaining to Portobello Park

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 15 May 2008, 16:36

From today's EN Letters Page (4th letter down):

School 'costs' were plucked from air

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Post by Porty » 16 May 2008, 13:56

Stephen Hawkins should not be twisting what I said, which was: "What the wider community wants is use of less than 10% of one of Portobell's numerous public parks" I am not speaking for the wider community when I said that its a bloody FACT!!

He is right about th 10% thing tho' its 25%.

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Post by Maria » 16 May 2008, 14:44

There seems to be some debate as to whether Portobello Park means the area containing the golf course and the football pitches or just the pitches minus the golf course. If ,like me, you find it difficult to picture the size of area being discussed this aerial shot might be useful.

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 17 May 2008, 10:44

Stephen Hawkins has chosen to deliberately misunderstand SM and knows perfectly well that he was referring to the park in its entirety. The term Portobello Park has been used by the Council to differentiate it from the golf course but is, as Epykat is fond of reminding us, an artificial construct.

Looking at the aerial map reminds of us two things. Firstly, this is a huge area of green space, dwarfing other local parks. Secondly, it is slap bang in the centre of the catchment area served by the school.

I personally believe that the area occupied by the golf course could be put to much better use for the whole community, but what really strikes me as ironic is that Councillor Hawkins and his merry band of PPAGers are happy to defend the rights of a relatively small number of golfers and grant them, effectively, exclusive use of the vast majority of this green space while simultaneously seeking to block the use of a much smaller section that would meet the educational needs of literally thousands of local children for generations to come.

I don't get it. Maybe they just don't like children?

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Post by Porty » 17 May 2008, 12:05

Bob Jefferson wrote:Stephen Hawkins has chosen to deliberately misunderstand SM and knows perfectly well that he was referring to the park in its entirety. The term Portobello Park has been used by the Council to differentiate it from the golf course but is, as Epykat is fond of reminding us, an artificial construct.
You are correct about Stephen but I did get the percentage wrong- according to the feasibility study 23% of Portobello Park will be built on.

Its a brill letter from Margaret Blackwood tho' the city is becoming aware. The stats about parks is a beauty. Prior to the letter I had really only considered Figgate, Rosefield, Joppa Quarry and Brighton park as being proximate. There's at least 3 others. Which makes the "lungs of the city" pish even more hollow.

I'm still not happy about the allegation that I was speaking for the wider community. To me the wider community is Edinburgh and its citizens, they will fund and pay for the school on an ongoing basis. The citizens elect councillors to "speak" on their behalfs. The elected have spoken loud,clear and unanimously- they want a school in the park. It is a matter of public record what the wider community wants.

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 17 May 2008, 12:21

I've spent the morning watching 'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang' with my daughter. I can't help feeling that many members of PPAG would be much happier living in Vulgaria, where children are banished.

"Take them away, to the Towerblock!" says Baroness Bomburst at one point.

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Post by Skeely » 17 May 2008, 12:33

Bob Jefferson wrote:I personally believe that the area occupied by the golf course could be put to much better use for the whole community
I couldn't agree more. Zoom out a bit from Marya's pic, and have a look at the large green spaces in Edinburgh - they're mostly golf courses. Edinburgh seems to have middle aged men well covered where it comes to outdoor recreation. Kids and the rest of us (including middle-aged men who don't like golf like myself) aren't nearly as well served.

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 17 May 2008, 12:48

As George Monbiot said as far back as 1990:
Golf courses use seven times as many chemicals per acre as intensive farmland. A study by the Golf Superintendents Association of America discovered a horrifying rate of cancer deaths among its former members. For greenkeepers, caddies and even the players in countries where environmental regulations are virtually non-existent, the risks are even higher.

Golf is a pox upon the planet, a plague of naffness devised by the British to torment the rest of the world. Those of us who are yet to be infected must do everything we can to stamp it out. We don’t have to go far to make a start. Next time you see a golf course, take a walk across it. It might just spoil a good game.
See also, more recently by the same author: Playing in the Rough

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 19 May 2008, 18:40

Meanwhile, back on the EN Letters Page:

No school solution? Of course there is

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 20 May 2008, 17:30

Ewan Aitken's take on the announcement from his blog:
I had to laugh! The SNP announced today the next stage of their Scottish Futures Trust(SFT), (which as an alternative to PPP will be run by a private company!) at a conference at at Heriot Watt University, (rather than the Parliament, which is an interesting is less than democratic choice).

The big news is that it will bring £150m for all infrastucture a year... not just for schools but for everything, for the whole of Scotland. To put this is perspective, Labour put £2b into schools alone. Remember that this £150m they have announced is not new capital. Its a different type of borrowing and in the world of infrastructure its chicken feed, (the wave 3 schools in Edinburgh alone will cost £165m).

Its interesting that they didn't make any comment on the reaction to their consultation in which many people from across the board savaged the SFT idea as being so thin on detail that it would embarrass the back of a fag packet.

I think the SNP take the people for fools and think that by announcing a big number, (a la £25m for Council houses - which will build around 25 in Edinburgh!), everyone will say its all ok.

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Post by mr magnolia » 23 May 2008, 13:37

Don't forget the meeting for all primary school parents on Monday 26th in the Town Hall. I think it's at 7pm.

As a complete aside, but in sympathy with the letter in the EN suggesting a remodelling of the golf course, I have always been baffled by the idea that the 'best' place for the school within the wider green space of park and golf course is at the edge of the A1 and next to a road junction. I would have thought the best place would be in either the NE corner (by the footbridge across the railway), or, more logically, in the NW corner so it is closer to its present location and offering a better chance of dragging pupils in without having to mess with the major road and then have to sit all day next to the same road
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Post by Bob Jefferson » 23 May 2008, 16:51

From today's EN Letters Page:

Time to accept the high school verdict

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 24 May 2008, 09:05

I agree entirely with mr magnolia that a better approach would have been to take the park as a whole and think about how it can be used to best advantage for the whole community, to include a new high school of course.

That exercise might result in re-modelling the golf course, reducing it to six holes or even relocating it. With imagination, Portobello Park could be anything we wanted it to be. There could be room for things like wildlife gardens, allotments and community orchards. Just last night someone (a golfer interestingly enough) suggested that a running track could be built around the perimeter of the park. What a brilliant idea! If only our politicians had the same courage and vision. If only the nimbys could see the opportunity we have to create a park for the people.

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Post by Porty » 24 May 2008, 22:54

Dave Davidson wrote:I find this statement incredible. There were statutory consultations with parents, a public meeting in Portobello Town Hall, the opportunity to make representations in the council Chamber and the facility for anyone to make written contributions.

Despite active campaigning by The Portobello Park Action Group, they failed to secure one single vote, as the council decided unanimously to build the school on Portobello Park. Perhaps when PPAG learn to accept that the councillors did listen to what they said but did not agree and that the respected firm of professional engineers hired as part of the consultation is not corrupt, we can move on and start discussing exactly what type of school we need to maximise the educational opportunities for the children of Portobello..


He is my businesx partner and fellow school on the park supporter. I have to wholeheartedly agree with him. Collectively and indivdually PPAG are bereft.

If there arguments or position is intellectually challenged and defeated- they are being bullied.

If the consultants don't rate a rebuild on site-they are corrupt.

If councillors unanimously come out against the PPAG position- they are riggers, fraudsters, not aware of peoples feelings and not listening.

When Marilyn Maclaren does SFA about getting a school built- she is revered by PPAG. And only a couple of week before she was being vilified as a fraudster, by the very same PPAG.

As this story unfolds they are becoming increasingly isolated, the first two letters in Thursday's news show the gaping divide between the reasonable position that's best for the community at large and the selfish, rambling nonsensical, greedy and false arguments that they put forward.

It doesn't feel much like we are winning but we've yet to concede a point.

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 25 May 2008, 21:08

A short film of Friday's art exhibition is now available to view at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojn5E7Assik

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Post by Porty » 26 May 2008, 02:06

What an uplifting event it was. I feel humbled by the commitment shown people like Giselle, Emma,Dave, Jackie and the other volunteers. I'm not in tune with the arty, farty type of thing and when it was first mooted several months ago I didn't really get it. I get it now tho' just to be in the town hall on friday afternoon and feel the buzz was a pleasure.

Good to see the Evening News covering yet another positive story about PHS. Onwards an upwards.

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