Tommy Sheridan

Marguerite-the-Poet · Post by **Marguerite-the-Poet** » 23 Aug 2006, 17:41

Cleopas wrote:Well, I'm voting for the Let's Get Drunk party!!!

"I am drinking with some romantic friends on a spring night and am just half intoxicated, finding it difficult to stop drinking and equally difficult to go on. An understanding boy servant at the side suddenly brings in a package of big fire-crackers, about a dozen in number, and I rise from the table and go and fire them off. The smell of sulphur assails my nostrils and enters my brain and I feel comfortable all over my body. Ah, is this not happiness?" The Feast of Life

by Lin Yutang

Cleopas · Post by **Cleopas** » 23 Aug 2006, 18:44

Marguerite the Poet wrote:

"I am drinking with some romantic friends on a spring night and am just half intoxicated, finding it difficult to stop drinking and equally difficult to go on. An understanding boy servant at the side suddenly brings in a package of big fire-crackers, about a dozen in number, and I rise from the table and go and fire them off. The smell of sulphur assails my nostrils and enters my brain and I feel comfortable all over my body. Ah, is this not happiness?" The Feast of Life by Lin Yutang

Only if the "understanding boy" goes off like a cracker as well!"

*sorry ... couldn't resist it!!!

Marguerite-the-Poet · Post by **Marguerite-the-Poet** » 23 Aug 2006, 19:13

Cleopas wrote:Marguerite the Poet wrote:

"I am drinking with some romantic friends on a spring night and am just half intoxicated, finding it difficult to stop drinking and equally difficult to go on. An understanding boy servant at the side suddenly brings in a package of big fire-crackers, about a dozen in number, and I rise from the table and go and fire them off. The smell of sulphur assails my nostrils and enters my brain and I feel comfortable all over my body. Ah, is this not happiness?" The Feast of Life by Lin Yutang
Only if the "understanding boy" goes off like a cracker as well!"

*sorry ... couldn't resist it!!!

Cleopas, you're a silly willy!!! You cutie puttie

(naughty boy)

Don't light my pigtails on fire or else....

Marguerite-the-Poet · Post by **Marguerite-the-Poet** » 23 Aug 2006, 20:26

I know very little about Tommy Sheridan. I did find an article on the BBC News/ GLASGOW AND WEST dated Wednesday, 19 July 2006, Sheridan in swingers 'admission'. â€œTommy Sheridan confessed at a Scottish Socialist Party meeting to twice visiting swingers clubs, a jury heard.â€

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 24 Aug 2006, 21:29

The main body of the SSP has booted out anyone who is a member of the SWP or CWI platforms. Although I was only really a fellow traveller with the nice people in the SWP and didn't sign up to anything, they are most certainly my friends, which means I'm now a renegade or something.

Yay schisms!

I'm really hoping that Tommy's new party ditch the independence bit - it never floated my boat.

Two opposing mass meetings in the same city, over the same weekend. Ouch.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 24 Aug 2006, 22:35

....the two big meetings (pro-Tommy and anti-Tommy) are being held in Glasgow on the 2nd and 3rd of September.

In the same hotel.

Get this :

Unity, Integrity, Socialism !
Saturday September 2nd, 4pm-6pm
Central Station Hotel, Glasgow

Speakers include John McAllion

and

The future of the Left in Scotland
Sunday, 3 September 1pm

Central Station Hotel (corner of Hope & Gordon Streets), Glasgow

I've half a mind to take my flask and sandwiches, and maybe even my jim-jams.

seanie · Post by **seanie** » 24 Aug 2006, 22:49

I think they should settle it once and for all.

A mass wrestling match on Central Station Concourse.

In a bath of mud.

Naked.

It might float Tommy's boat.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 24 Aug 2006, 23:05

YES.

Baked beans would be good too.

Cleopas · Post by **Cleopas** » 24 Aug 2006, 23:19

Or wearing policewomen outfits with shiny buttons that get ripped off, then rolling and writhing starkers on black plastic sheeting covered in Mazzola oil, then plunging into the beans and ....

Oops! This isn't the secret fantasy thread, is it??? Ummm .... er .... *walks away

*crushed

Marguerite-the-Poet · Post by **Marguerite-the-Poet** » 26 Aug 2006, 16:22

Cleopas wrote:...rolling and writhing starkers on black plastic sheeting covered in Mazzola oil, then plunging into the beans and ...

POOPIE!

http://funnyjunk.com/pages/poopie.htm

mY poor kitty pucked ~

http://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/1210/Puke+Kitty

Dave Connelly · Post by **Dave Connelly** » 26 Aug 2006, 18:11

Dadaist wrote:Porty, your attempts at deconstruction are almost as clumsy as an Israeli bulldozer.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 03 Sep 2006, 16:03

Phew!

A busy couple of days at the Quality Central Hotel in Glasgow as the two opposing camps held their rallies. Boy is that room ever hot.

Photos, jokes etc to follow.

Marguerite-the-Poet · Post by **Marguerite-the-Poet** » 03 Sep 2006, 17:25

Dadaist wrote:Phew!

A busy couple of days at the Quality Central Hotel in Glasgow as the two opposing camps held their rallies. Boy is that room ever hot.

Photos, jokes etc to follow.

Super! We'll wait for the photos and jokes.

In the meantime, BBC News Scotland delivers the very best by reporting to us on Sunday, 3 September 2006 that 'Sheridan unveils Solidarity party'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/5307316.stm

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 03 Sep 2006, 18:48

So the joke goes that the long-standing (and good-selling) SSP T-shirt which says "I'm Spartacus" on it is wrong, as yer average member of the so-called SSP 11, when asked, would immediately point to Spartacus and say "That's him over there!"

Such is the state of the schism disinteresting people of all social classes around Scotland, although I guess there's the odd headline to be made.

But which one's for you? (click thumbnail for larger image)

Of course, I didn't mean between Brian Taylor and Bernard Ponsonby - I meant between the two big fixtures on in Glesga this weekend. At one, the hardcore fans of an embattled team turned up to watch their heroes triumph. At the other, enormous crowds gathered to drool over their hero and idol, even if there was a bit of standing about and this or that support act.

Yes - what do you do if you like Scotland *and* Robbie Williams?

Easy enough if you're just a disillusioned ex-SSP member who wants some snaps of his two former leaders and the meeja circus surrounding them - all you have to do is go to the same room in the same hotel on 2 consecutive days. Big deal.

So it was a weekend of spotlights and well-attended performances :

All much of a muchness. Now - if Robbie can wear a Scotland top and Brian and Bernard can have a laugh - will Colin and Tommy ever bury the icepick? (Trotsky joke, sorry)

For the rest of the photos, including the "Coppuccino" tardis and a Chinese restaurant on a train platform - click here

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 04 Sep 2006, 10:10

If I hadn't already taken a scunner to Tommy 'Scrabble is my only vice' Sheridan then his hijacking of 'Solidarity' as the name for his spanking new party would have done it for me.

Cleopas · Post by **Cleopas** » 04 Sep 2006, 16:46

I made a point of that on another board I go on full of Scots Nats and (allegedly) militant Independence people ... and I didn't get half get what for, for saying that. Not that I give Damn what those twits say ... It's still a helluva cheek though! I prammed shoulder to knee with Solidarnosc supporters in the 80s!

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 04 Oct 2006, 12:26

Having watched Tommy Sheridan on Newsnight last night, I am starting to wonder if Freddy Starr actually did eat that hamster after all.

It might be that the original NoTW allegations regarding hamster-eating were actually correct, but that Freddy only won his court case because jurors liked his style more than the newspaper's.

Freddy could also have got some of his comrades to perjure themselves because they thought that stand-up comedy came before the truth, and were happy to risk jail to defend him.

Such is the charisma of the man in question that even now we have a video of him with his gnashers round the hamster, we're still being led to believe that there was no hamster.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Oct 2006, 13:05

His charisma is awesome. I think he should do a "Derek Hatton" and get out of politics and into PR, its where he has always been anyway. Its probably too late and he will be in jail.

Watching this unfold I have been experiencing deja-vu:

Deny the evidence.
Trash the facts.
Denigrate the opposition.
Add a bit of name calling.
Declare things as being silly.
Invent a gang-up.
Add some conspiracy theories.
Use farcical analogies.
Never engage in facts.
Never answer direct questions

Tommy Sheridan wrote: "I don't think there is anyone in Scotland who can doubt that this has been an attempted stitch-up from day one."

With credentials like those Tommy should consider re-locating to West Portobello or would the competition be too fierce?

ali · Post by **ali** » 04 Oct 2006, 14:20

I reckon yesterday's press conference was Tommy's version of Jonathan Aitken's "sword of British justice" speech - he's lost it completely and will go to jail - eventually.

I thought it was pretty obvious by the open-mouthed "can't believe we got away with that!!" look on Mrs Sheridan's face when they left court after the case that there was something dodgy going on.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 04 Oct 2006, 14:39

Mrs Starr must always have known that her husband liked to eat hamsters.

It must be upsetting though, providing a perfectly reasonable mouse or gerbil at home, only to have your husband constantly coming home smelling of hamsters.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Oct 2006, 15:00

I wonder why the hamsters haven't squealed?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Oct 2006, 15:02

ali wrote:
I thought it was pretty obvious by the open-mouthed "can't believe we got away with that!!" look on Mrs Sheridan's face when they left court after the case that there was something dodgy going on.

How do you think she would do in a sincxerity face-off with Hughie Green after she'd seen off Eammon Holmes in the semi?

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 04 Oct 2006, 15:06

Porty wrote:I wonder why the hamsters haven't squealed?

They have, at length, either in books, newspapers or in court.

After Freddy sacked his legal team and represented himself, he actually cross-examined some of the hamsters himself in court - denying their stories even though it was him that ate them.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Oct 2006, 15:07

Did they eat him back?

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 04 Oct 2006, 15:10

From what I've heard, sometimes there would be two comedians and one hamster, and sometimes just a big jacuzzi full of comedians and hamsters.

There was consent though, I'm sure, on the part of the hamsters - although maybe not on the part of Mrs Starr.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 04 Oct 2006, 15:12

You are on fine form.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 04 Oct 2006, 15:23

Porty wrote:You are on fine form.

Thanks. I used to be a comedian.

jimann · Post by **jimann** » 12 Oct 2006, 00:47

After a' the jokes and japes - don't you think the guy's a big fibber?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 12 Oct 2006, 10:07

Before all the jokes and japer I thought he was a big fibber.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 12 Oct 2006, 12:09

I think the first Sheridan lie I heard of was when I heard (in 2004) what had come out of the infamous Exec meeting where he admitted (1) lying to his friend over the Cupids visits.

Then I saw him lying to the public on the front of the Daily Record (? Mirror?) saying that he was quitting because he wanted to spend more time with his family.

Before that, I didn't know he was a liar even though I knew he was a politician.

(1) Allegedly

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 12 Oct 2006, 12:12

My first time was when i saw him on Newsnight telling the one about the motor manfacturer that was closing and how is if could become state owned the SSP would make sure it succeeded.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 12 Oct 2006, 12:26

Porty wrote:My first time was when i saw him on Newsnight telling the one about the motor manfacturer that was closing and how is if could become state owned the SSP would make sure it succeeded.

Yes, in the same way that when the Natural Law Party say that yogic flying and concentrated meditation will lower crime in inner-city Manchester : that is, whilst they may firmly believe it to be the case, their claim may appear ridiculous to those who are at the receiving end of the view.

I think in order for it to qualify as a lie, there has to be an element of maliciousness or an intent to deceive - something may indeed not be true, and could even be proved to not be true, but I would differentiate between lying and what you described, which is a political opinion you disagree with.

No matter how wildly ridiculous the claim, I think that if the person who makes it believes it to be true, they're not a liar in that instance.

He could well have been lying though - but I think you'd need evidence like someone with a hidden camera who caught Tommy round his flat, wearing his characteristic duffel coat, spraffing on about "did you hear the one about the motor manufacturer I trotted out on Newsnight? what a load of guff!".

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 12 Oct 2006, 12:29

Dadaist wrote:
No matter how wildly ridiculous the claim, I think that if the person who makes it believes it to be true, they're not a liar in that instance.

So if Tommy believed that Scotland beat the Ukraine 4-5 last night and told everyone, he wouldn't be lying?

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 12 Oct 2006, 12:33

Porty wrote:
Dadaist wrote:
No matter how wildly ridiculous the claim, I think that if the person who makes it believes it to be true, they're not a liar in that instance.

So if Tommy believed that Scotland beat the Ukraine 4-5 last night and told everyone, he wouldn't be lying?

Exactly right. He would be laughed at, but you'd need to prove he intended deception or was being malicious in order for it to be a lie.

Ming Campbell, at the Lib Dem conference, said that the Arctic Monkeys had sold more records than the Beatles. Even though everyone knows that is factually incorrect, nobody has accused him of lying.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 12 Oct 2006, 12:36

Didn't Ming also say that they won a by election that they didn't?