One of very few politicians that I have consistently been able to trust that what he says is what he means, even if I didn't necessarily agree with it.
Tommy Sheridan
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Don't care what your politics are, I think Scotland's politics will be poorer without him on the front line.
One of very few politicians that I have consistently been able to trust that what he says is what he means, even if I didn't necessarily agree with it.
One of very few politicians that I have consistently been able to trust that what he says is what he means, even if I didn't necessarily agree with it.
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Re: Tommy Sheridan
100% Behind you on that one Mr M! Integrity is rare in politics !mr magnolia wrote:Don't care what your politics are, I think Scotland's politics will be poorer without him on the front line.
One of very few politicians that I have consistently been able to trust that what he says is what he means, even if I didn't necessarily agree with it.
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Re: Tommy Sheridan
You are right. Most of the c rap he comes out with could be succesfuly rubbished by a Higher economics student but at least he believes passionately in his own ignorance.mr magnolia wrote:One of very few politicians that I have consistently been able to trust that what he says is what he means, even if I didn't necessarily agree with it.
Hope the personal reasons do not concern the baby thats imminent.
Has he done a good job as leader? Who will replace him? Is it the end for the SSP?
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Well I think they most certainly do, but only 'cos he wants to be a good dad.Porty wrote:
Hope the personal reasons do not concern the baby thats imminent.
Good Dad
And I have every sympathy for him and his fears!
[And incidently, where did Higher economics theories ever get the world? Economic theory is just recycled and relabelled reflection of past 'success' or 'failure' of the model. 'Economic growth' will kill us all yet. (er, bit of thread drift here, sorry
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Saw him on TV getting interviewed before the elections by Kirsty Wark. He might be consistent but he he could not answer many of her questions and had to concede that what he was proposing had never worked anywhere else where it had been tried - on the entire planet! 
Justice delayed is justice denied.
Here is one of Tommy's better ones:
Those who have wanted to change the world throughout history have always been scoffed at but they've always been right in the long run.
So, Hitler was right?
Marx was right?
Tse Tung was right?
Thatcher was right?
Arf! Arf!
Those who have wanted to change the world throughout history have always been scoffed at but they've always been right in the long run.
So, Hitler was right?
Marx was right?
Tse Tung was right?
Thatcher was right?
Arf! Arf!
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yer a bit harsh, porty,sir.
I expect he was simply pointing out that peoples kneejerk reactions to proposals for change are not always correct. Perhaps his phrasing is a bit clumsy in this isolated instance that you quote and then proceed to gratuitously extrapolate beyond reason for the simple aim of entertainment.
getting back to your 'good leader' question:
I don't know. My views on and knowledge of TS are quite limited: the strongest one is quite simply that he is a man that brings a bit of integrity to an otherwise turgid political pool. He has certainly succeeded in raising the SSP profile, the number of MSPs, and belief in the possibilities of the Scottish Parliament and the associated election system. If it wasn't for the work of the SSP and the Greens in securing votes, it would be difficult to recognise that we had a slightly different, possibly even fairer, voting system that moves the possibility of better representation at the Parly a step closer..
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I see others have jumped in while I scratched my head!
yer a bit harsh, porty,sir.
I expect he was simply pointing out that peoples kneejerk reactions to proposals for change are not always correct. Perhaps his phrasing is a bit clumsy in this isolated instance that you quote and then proceed to gratuitously extrapolate beyond reason for the simple aim of entertainment.
getting back to your 'good leader' question:
I don't know. My views on and knowledge of TS are quite limited: the strongest one is quite simply that he is a man that brings a bit of integrity to an otherwise turgid political pool. He has certainly succeeded in raising the SSP profile, the number of MSPs, and belief in the possibilities of the Scottish Parliament and the associated election system. If it wasn't for the work of the SSP and the Greens in securing votes, it would be difficult to recognise that we had a slightly different, possibly even fairer, voting system that moves the possibility of better representation at the Parly a step closer..
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I see others have jumped in while I scratched my head!
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What attempt? I quoted him and then gave some examples which defeated his statement. What is your issue with that? If my points on Economics is irking you, then I would simply point you to the SSP debts.Dadaist wrote:Porty, your attempts at deconstruction are almost as clumsy as an Israeli bulldozer.
I also invited comment as to his prowess as a leader. What's your view? Swan among ugly ducklings?
I agree with you on Arafat and on the US however your assesment of Israeli bulldozers is way off.
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When reviewing Tommy Sheridan's autobiography "Imagine", Tony Benn said: ".... Imagine is one of the very best books I have ever read on the subject of Socialism".foxy wrote:Whats he got to do with this?Porty wrote:as has benn well documented and unchallenged.
Having read it, I don't agree, but it is a hoot. Perhaps we should make it the December big read in commemoration of the aforesaid Mr. Sheridan.
I have nothing to say and I'm going to say it.
Like Dadaist, I am also saddened by Tommy Sheridan's resignation,
I beleive that he was/is principled, which is a helluva lot more than I can say about any other Polictical Leader, in fact, I cannot for the life of me, think of any Politicians's in this Country with any morals/principles - a bunch of gutless numpties who are legends in their own lunchtimes.
I beleive that he was/is principled, which is a helluva lot more than I can say about any other Polictical Leader, in fact, I cannot for the life of me, think of any Politicians's in this Country with any morals/principles - a bunch of gutless numpties who are legends in their own lunchtimes.
Ok. Logic for beginners.Porty wrote: What attempt? I quoted him and then gave some examples which defeated his statement. What is your issue with that?
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I agree with you on Arafat and on the US however your assesment of Israeli bulldozers is way off.
1. Debbie likes apples.
2. An apple is a fruit.
3. IT DOES NOT FOLLOW that Debbie likes all fruit.
Thus is it with Tommy's quote. To most eyes it is obvious that Tommy is in fact making reference to a subset of people he regards as being progressive, not Napoleon or Alexander the Great. Were he referring to Marx I would disagree with him myself, and certainly if he were referring to Mao, but it is not correct to encompass rightists in your list. Context is everything.
Yes, you did quote him, and yes you did give some examples. However, it does not follow that they defeated his statement - that's a subjective opinion. Therefore it was simply an attempt that you made, and in my own subjective opinion it maps onto the so-called attempts made by Israeli bulldozers to get rid of militants but which end up crushing innocent people - like Rachel Corrie, for example.
Porty wrote:So, its fair enough for Tommy to use any of the above to illustrate that in the long term he will be viewed as having had a comparable influence on society?Marya wrote:Ghandi? Fidel Castro? Emily Pankhurst? Jesus Christ?
Around the time of the Poll Tax, there were probably people who doubted that he would form a party which would get the votes and representation that he did. But I wouldn't compare him to anyone other than himself.
Its a pity he doesn't take a leaf out of your book.Dadaist wrote:Around the time of the Poll Tax, there were probably people who doubted that he would form a party which would get the votes and representation that he did. But I wouldn't compare him to anyone other than himself.
Anyway, what's the scoop on Tommy?Ive not seen a newspaper in 3 days.
.....ambition makes you look pretty ugly
"Gail praised her husband's decision to step down. She said: 'I think what he's doing is dead brave and a big sacrifice - and that shows his strength.
All this baby thing has just finished him off.He realises he has to be grown-up and take on new responsibilities.'
I rest my case.
All this baby thing has just finished him off.He realises he has to be grown-up and take on new responsibilities.'
I rest my case.
.....ambition makes you look pretty ugly
