New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

[seanie]

Maybe you could take it up with members of the board?

You could ask Diana Cairns or Stephen Hawkins about their organisation's hypocritical stance.

[Epykat]

Maybe you could take it up with members of the board?

You could ask Diana Cairns or Stephen Hawkins about their organisation's hypocritical stance.

Or you could. But you probably wouldn't do it to their face.

[Betty Windsor]

Maybe you could take it up with members of the board?

You could ask Diana Cairns or Stephen Hawkins about their organisation's hypocritical stance.

I think we all know where they stand on the issue. I'd be far more interested in hearing from the people who are "nuetral" on the issue and how they can justify their stance.

[seanie]

Maybe you could take it up with members of the board?

You could ask Diana Cairns or Stephen Hawkins about their organisation's hypocritical stance.

Or you could. But you probably wouldn't do it to their face.

Eh?

I think PEDAL's position is perfectly reasonable. Why would I take up the issue?

[Epykat]

You could ask Diana Cairns or Stephen Hawkins about their organisation's hypocritical stance.

Or you could. But you probably wouldn't do it to their face.

Eh?

I think PEDAL's position is perfectly reasonable. Why would I take up the issue?

I meant that part of your quote, as you know.

[Betty Windsor]

Maybe you could take it up with members of the board?

You could ask Diana Cairns or Stephen Hawkins about their organisation's hypocritical stance.

I'm glad you agree that it is indeed a hypocritcal stance. It doesn't do much for PEDAL's credibility that they sit on the fence on this issue, presumably as a result of pressure from people who want their children to go to school in a parkland setting, but either don't have the means or don't want to fork out for it themselves. A very vocal middle class minority (in my opinion).

[seanie]

I don't think it's hypocritical. You do.

Are you confused again?

[Betty Windsor]

I don't think it's hypocritical. You do.

Are you confused again?

It was you who used the word "hypocritical" I happen to agree. I said it was selling out

[seanie]

...how can PEDAL possibly be nuetral on this matter.
Another case of selling out principles?

That's pretty much a suggestion of hypocrisy.

[seanie]

Editing your posts in response to subsequent posts is a bit off.

[Porty]

I'm glad you agree that it is indeed a hypocritcal stance. It doesn't do much for PEDAL's credibility that they sit on the fence on this issue, presumably as a result of pressure from people who want their children to go to school in a parkland setting, but either don't have the means or don't want to fork out for it themselves. A very vocal middle class minority (in my opinion).

You didn't use the word hypocritical ? Are you sure about that.

[Betty Windsor]

Editing your posts in response to subsequent posts is a bit off.

You're right it is. I did not realise you had replied to my post until after I had edited it. I can't remember exactly what I said in the first instance but I believe it was essentially the same.
I'm surprised you didn't quote me.

[seanie]

Short term memory loss can be a terrible curse.

My sympathies.

[Betty Windsor]

I'm sure we are all happy that POD

want to give a platform and profile to the many creative and talented people who stay in the area

and I'm sure that means they will welcome the fantastic opportunities in music, art and drama that the new facilities will offer to the young people of the area, and beyond that to the community at large.

PHS already has pretty good 'green' credentials and will want to build upon that in the new school, so PEDAL should be pleased as well and excited about the opportunities that could arise to work with the school to push the green agenda.

A bit strange then that a group who call themselves "Portobello Open Door" would prevent a group, who represent a significant majority (I believe) from expressing their belief that the park should be preserved.
Why would they do that? Was that the unanimous decision of their board too?
Doesn't sound very inclusive to me.

[seanie]

Well you'd have to ask POD now, wouldn't you?

My limited contribution to POD is as a mere dogsbody at the Village Show, putting up marquees and the like alongside, as it happens, a number of PPAG supporters.

Have you any idea how difficult it is to put up a marquee with people who won't look at you, let alone speak to you? It's a challenge, I can tell you.

[rmolehusband]

a group, who represent a significant majority (I believe) from expressing their belief that the park should be preserved.

You need to stop believing the propaganda on PPAGs sham website. PPAG do represent any sort of majority, let alone a significant one. More people responded to the planning application in support of the proposal to build on the park than objected - that is an indisputable fact.

Why would they do that?

I have no idea, this is the first I've heard that such a thing may have taken place. Given your track record for posting conspiracy theories and nonsense I'm afraid I'm not really convinced it did happen and probably won't be until your story is corroborated. Can you provide anything more to convince us this isn't mere fantasy?

I can't imagine that if PPAG had wanted a presence on that day that they couldn't have done so. I think it more likely that they realise just how unpopular they are outside Park Avenue and decided to keep a low profile - in much the same way as they swiftly tried to disassociate the PPAG name from their 5K runs in the hope of attracting more interest.

[seanie]

And is this the start of a long process?

Will you be working your way through every group and organisation in Portobello, denouncing every one that either objected on what you think are the wrong grounds or made no comment at all?

When will you be giving the Sunshine Club both barrels?

[Betty Windsor]

And is this the start of a long process?

Will you be working your way through every group and organisation in Portobello, denouncing every one that either objected on what you think are the wrong grounds or made no comment at all?

When will you be giving the Sunshine Club both barrels?

Are you denying that PPAG were refused a table at the "Village Show"?
Have I been misinformed?

[seanie]

I'm not in a position to deny or confirm anything since it's nothing to do with me.

But if they let in clowns like the Brighton Park Massive they can't be too choosy about who's allowed in.

[Porty]

I may be wrong but I think I recall a POD event where they wouldn't allow stall hire to PFANS or PPAG, as they didn't want to court aggro or accusations from the likes of Batty, which would go something like this...

" So Sean why was it PFANS had prime pitch and a f****** Marquee at the viilage fair whilst PPAG had a collapsible table on the bank of the Figgy? Don't you think thats odd for a group which claims .....(insert one or two out of context sentences here) ....on their website?

That's the trouble with trying to get a handle on what groups like POD and PEDAL are all about. If you take time to read their mission statement, you may just grasp why they don't have a zero tolerance to building a school on less than 8% of a poorly used park. If you don't bother investigating the group; use your imagination to construct what they may be about, extract a few out of context statements from their website in support of your fantasy- then its little wonder you then find their actual behaviour "beggars belief" or their stance "hypocritical".

If you simply make up what a group stands for it should not come as a surprise when they don't act in the manner you expect.

[wangi]

Back to the topic of the thread... Confirmation of the Feb 1 date for continuation:

Wednesday 1st February
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Continued First Hearing

1: P780/11 Pet: Portobello Park Action Group Association for Judicial Review; Drummond Miller LLP; Brodies LLP

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[Bob Jefferson]

I think most people know that the driving force behind POD is Joe Madden and also that Diana and Stephen are involved. We all know where D and S stand on the issue. Joe is the guy on the left in the photo below. We may disagree on this issue but he's a top bloke and has made a huge contribution to Portobello over many years. I find it difficult to believe that POD denied PPAG a table at the Village Show, but if the organisers felt that PPAG's presence at a family event was inappropriate and likely to create bad feeling then I would have to agree and applaud that decision.

[seanie]

Back to the topic of the thread... Confirmation of the Feb 1 date for continuation:

Wednesday 1st February
...
Continued First Hearing

1: P780/11 Pet: Portobello Park Action Group Association for Judicial Review; Drummond Miller LLP; Brodies LLP

...

Back to the topic of the thread... Confirmation of the Feb 1 date for continuation:

Wednesday 1st February
...
Continued First Hearing

1: P780/11 Pet: Portobello Park Action Group Association for Judicial Review; Drummond Miller LLP; Brodies LLP

...

It's unlikely (though not impossible) that there's a result on the day.

[Makaveli]

That is one professional looking banner those two nuggets are holding up!!! What does the bit underneath say?

[Epykat]

That is one professional looking banner those two nuggets are holding up!!! What does the bit underneath say?

It probably says "come and call me a nugget to my face......."

[Makaveli]

Why what would happen - I presume they can be found in Porty Park (walking a dog) or living on one of the adjoining streets?

[Epykat]

Why what would happen - I presume they can be found in Porty Park (walking a dog) or living on one of the adjoining streets?

I was sure you just said "no problem" a minute ago........so you'll be up there on 1 February with your "you are a load of nuggets" banner? I'll look forward to that

edited to correct typo....

[Makaveli]

I would if I could but I won't be in country then.

And I did say not a problem as they do look like nuggets stood there with that terrible banner!!! It looks like the usual healthy turn out of the 'majority' of the community supporting PPAG again!!!

Is it you that is in the pic is that why you are so cross?

[Epykat]

Is it you that is in the pic is that why you are so cross?

No, I'm not in the pic - in fact I don't know anybody in the pic either. If you want to see what I look like then feel free to go onto Creative Porty, you know my real name, so I'm not hard to find! I don't have a problem with people knowing who I am.

[Bob Jefferson]

The 'nugget' in the red jacket is Bruce Kidd, the triathlon guy. Don't recognise the other person but I'm happy to confirm that it is not Epykat.

[Porty]

Is Bruce kidd in that pic? I must have my nuggets mixed up!

[Epykat]

The 'nugget' in the red jacket is Bruce Kidd, the triathlon guy. Don't recognise the other person but I'm happy to confirm that it is not Epykat.

Thanks Bob! I wouldn't like anybody to think I was bullshitting!

[Betty Windsor]

Surely I'm not the only person in Porty who thinks it's outrageous that a group that actually calls themselves "Portobello OPEN Door" would exclude a community group who represent a significant number of people in the community from taking a table at the "village" show.
Is the "door" only open to those who agree with the council's landgrabbing?

[seanie]

Your perception of reality may be somewhat unique.

[Makaveli]

Significant number? Surely you mean significant majority