New Portobello High School - PPAG Judicial Review

[seanie]

We can expect a press release tomorrow, I'm told.

I know alot of local people that are writing to their local councillor asking that costs be chased in this case.

You know, I think normal precedent should be followed. Sure I disagree with much of what PPAG say, they were late in bringing the case... But it is right that they should have the ability to do so.

Of course given such a clear ruling that should be the end of the matter. Any further legal costs absolutely must be covered by them, not the Council / tax payer.

Wangi you are correct that is probably the fairest way of dealing with it.

I'm told PPAG will appeal.

[Porty]

Oh well!!

[seanie]

Well, you'd have to be daft to appeal a judgement as dismissive as this one.

So the likelihood of an appeal was always pretty high.

[Pal of Porty]

You know, I think normal precedent should be followed. Sure I disagree with much of what PPAG say, they were late in bringing the case... But it is right that they should have the ability to do so. Of course given such a clear ruling that should be the end of the matter. Any further legal costs absolutely must be covered by them, not the Council / tax payer.L/

Well said Wangi and I agree wholeheartedly with you. Having just read that PPAG may be appealing I would like to add that once they have stumped up the money for the costs they should then be lined up and shot. The school is going to be built. They have already lost on delay and on merit and for normal minded people that should have been enough.

[joeshmoe]

If they are appealing i'd urge everyone to fight for them to have to pay costs for the initial case. They are basically doing all this at little expense, knowing full well they wont win. My guess is if the Council pursue them for costs they wont have the funds to take this any further

[Epykat]

Well said Wangi and I agree wholeheartedly with you. Having just read that PPAG may be appealing I would like to add that once they have stumped up the money for the costs they should then be lined up and shot. The school is going to be built. They have already lost on delay and on merit and for normal minded people that should have been enough.

I would hardly have thought 'normal minded people' would even joke about lining other people up and shooting them for doing something that they were entitled to do - unfortunately we don't even do that to convicted child murderers. You lot really are getting lower and lower.

[seanie]

I stand to be corrected, but I think that was a figure of speech rather than a policy recommendation.

[Porty]

POP is entitled to his view.

[Pal of Porty]

Well said Wangi and I agree wholeheartedly with you. Having just read that PPAG may be appealing I would like to add that once they have stumped up the money for the costs they should then be lined up and shot. The school is going to be built. They have already lost on delay and on merit and for normal minded people that should have been enough.

I would hardly have thought 'normal minded people' would even joke about lining other people up and shooting them for doing something that they were entitled to do - unfortunately we don't even do that to convicted child murderers. You lot really are getting lower and lower.

I am not joking Epy and I only said shot because I did not want my comment to be moderated.

[Epykat]

Well said Wangi and I agree wholeheartedly with you. Having just read that PPAG may be appealing I would like to add that once they have stumped up the money for the costs they should then be lined up and shot. The school is going to be built. They have already lost on delay and on merit and for normal minded people that should have been enough.

I would hardly have thought 'normal minded people' would even joke about lining other people up and shooting them for doing something that they were entitled to do - unfortunately we don't even do that to convicted child murderers. You lot really are getting lower and lower.

I am not joking Epy and I only said shot because I did not want my comment to be moderated.

Oh, that's okay then. Where were you proposing to carry that out? Outside the Town Hall or maybe tied to a tree in 'Portobello Park' ?

[Epykat]

POP is entitled to his view.

Pardon me while I choke on my lunch.......that's rich coming from you.

[Pal of Porty]

You lot really are getting lower and lower.

What lot! I made that comment and nobody else.

[Makaveli]

You have to be kidding?

They really must have some big funding behind them as they are going to have to pay for another appeal and surely pay the councils costs if they lose again.

[Makaveli]

POP is entitled to his view.

Pardon me while I choke on my lunch.......that's rich coming from you.

Why do you always think folk are ganging up on here Epykat? I have never knowingly met anyone from this forum the real world.

At the end of the day it is the internet - you seem to take alot of what folk say too literally. Maybe the internet is not for you.

[Porty]

Epykat is entitled to her view.

[seanie]

Porty High faces more delays.

CONSTRUCTION of a new Portobello High School could be delayed by up to two years after campaigners announced they would appeal a court decision granting its development.

[Makaveli]

Two years - if I was a parent with a child at the school or going to the school I would be livid, and that is putting it mildly.

[Porty]

A PPAG vow is worthless.

Before we all get overheated let's wait and see if the appeal is lodged. I understand they have until close of business today.

It is an odd choice of langauge for the day on which an appeal must be lodged. Why bother vowing just do it.

[Franck]

Well said Wangi and I agree wholeheartedly with you. Having just read that PPAG may be appealing I would like to add that once they have stumped up the money for the costs they should then be lined up and shot. The school is going to be built. They have already lost on delay and on merit and for normal minded people that should have been enough.

I would hardly have thought 'normal minded people' would even joke about lining other people up and shooting them for doing something that they were entitled to do - unfortunately we don't even do that to convicted child murderers. You lot really are getting lower and lower.

You need to lighten up...have a beer, get a massage, sit in the sun and unwind.Something, anything, to release all that tension.

[joeshmoe]

If they do lodge an appeal and two years is the delay i really think some sort of action group should be mobilized to lobby the council to go after them for fees and start exerting real pressure on these old farts. It's nigh on disgraceful what they are doing to the children who will miss out on those facilities.

It is made worse by the fact they have absolutely NO legal grounds on which to launch an appeal as was made abundantly clear at the last one

[Epykat]

POP is entitled to his view.

Pardon me while I choke on my lunch.......that's rich coming from you.

I have never knowingly met anyone from this forum the real world..

I have - which is why I'm incredulous at some of the things they think it's okay to write on here.

[Epykat]

You need to lighten up...have a beer, get a massage, sit in the sun and unwind.Something, anything, to release all that tension.

Thanks Franck - sounds lovely, I'll go and do that right now and leave you all in peace to polish your bullets.

[Franck]

You need to lighten up...have a beer, get a massage, sit in the sun and unwind.Something, anything, to release all that tension.

Thanks Franck - sounds lovely, I'll go and do that right now and leave you all in peace to polish your bullets.

I never mentioned bullets, I'm only suggesting that taking things too literally on an internet forum is strange and if you do, you need to chillax (as the kidz say)

[Betty Windsor]

A PPAG vow is worthless.

Before we all get overheated let's wait and see if the appeal is lodged. I understand they have until close of business today.

It is an odd choice of langauge for the day on which an appeal must be lodged. Why bother vowing just do it.

Time to get overheated. The appeal has been lodged-it was done yesterday.

[seanie]

You must be pleased Gillian?

[Porty]

No point in getting overheated. PPAG have lost every battle so far and that ain't changing anytime soon.

[joeshmoe]

I get the feeling this may be the straw that breaks the camels back, parents have had enough of this now, myself included. I was ok with them appealing once on whatever tenuous grounds they used but to deliberately leave it so late and now to rsk a further delay of TWO YEARS, when the appeal Judge effectively threw it out is shameful

parents and the council should mobilise now and force PPAG to pay all legal costs and whatever else it takes. cEC need to front up now and show some fight

Having just spoken to several parents you can guess the response I got

[seanie]

I'll try to set some wheels in motion, contact the cluster schools etc.

[gilo]

Time to get overheated.

Says it all.

I remember a kid at school, I'm sure most schools have them. He was a bit of a sad soul, he only knew how to get on with others by trying to do something so irritating it would get a rise from them. Sound familiar?

[Makaveli]

The sad thing is gilo some never grow out of it!!!!

[sopeph]

PPAG have had their time in the sun and people in Portobello now need to start standing up to them and calling for PPAG to pay costs rather than waste our council taxes on yet another fruitless appeal. In the current financial climate, should we really accept people wasting money in this way simply to delay things by 2 years?

[joeshmoe]

Sopeh
Write to your councillor and copy Kenny MacAskill, I have, others have and if we all do, get something in the press etc then the pressure is on them to go after these people for costs.

[portygeoff]

If they do lodge an appeal and two years is the delay i really think some sort of action group should be mobilized to lobby the council to go after them for fees and start exerting real pressure on these old farts. It's nigh on disgraceful what they are doing to the children who will miss out on those facilities.

It is made worse by the fact they have absolutely NO legal grounds on which to launch an appeal as was made abundantly clear at the last one

Absolutely, they have had their day in court, lost and are now just using spoiling tactics to disrupt the future education of Portobello children. (Not surprising given that a number of key activists prefer to send their kids to private schools rather than support their local community school). No legal grounds for an appeal and no real support locally, that's why they have to fund raise outwith Portobello.

[Porty]

Make sure you write to the reps. request they bring all of their influence to bear to bring this to a just conclusion AND ensure PPAG pick up all the costs .

[Maria]

A two year delay would, I imagine, push building costs up . Anyone know if the Council would have to go through the whole tendering process again? If this is the case, then not only should the Council pursue court costs , but should pursue recompense for any additional costs.

I can't believe that PPAG are appealing this.