dogs and environmental wardens (merged)

portocat · Post by **portocat** » 21 May 2009, 11:47

Sorry but I think this discussion is losing the point slightly. My issue is with dog poo and the antisocial nature of it when left behind and not picked up. My petition is about trying to find a way to encourage people not to do this. I agree the majority of dog owners are responsible. If people have issues with children and their behaviour there is nothing to stop you launching your own petition. I am not going to bother posting on here again regarding this, and I am extremely sorry if I have offended anyone through trying to do my own small bit to try to make our environment nicer.

Eck · Post by **Eck** » 21 May 2009, 11:51

portocat wrote:Sorry but I think this discussion is losing the point slightly. My issue is with dog poo and the antisocial nature of it when left behind and not picked up. My petition is about trying to find a way to encourage people not to do this. I agree the majority of dog owners are responsible. If people have issues with children and their behaviour there is nothing to stop you launching your own petition. I am not going to bother posting on here again regarding this, and I am extremely sorry if I have offended anyone through trying to do my own small bit to try to make our environment nicer.

I applaud what you are trying to do. I just think that it's a knee jerk reaction. I've pointed out that I don't think that it's feasible to launch a DNA database financially and you have not came back to me with figures supporting your cause. By launching a petition you should be able to support your stance. This would then evoke further comment. However, you seem to have a valid aim to your petition, but the substance doesn't seem sound. It's up to you to support your stance.

seashell · Post by **seashell** » 21 May 2009, 15:43

portocat wrote:Sorry but I think this discussion is losing the point slightly. My issue is with dog poo and the antisocial nature of it when left behind and not picked up. My petition is about trying to find a way to encourage people not to do this. I agree the majority of dog owners are responsible. If people have issues with children and their behaviour there is nothing to stop you launching your own petition. I am not going to bother posting on here again regarding this, and I am extremely sorry if I have offended anyone through trying to do my own small bit to try to make our environment nicer.

We do see what you are trying to achieve - it is just that most people here do not support the idea of canine dna data base because it is incredibly expensive, difficult to operate and does not tackle the problem directly.
And given everything else that is going on in the worldtoday - dog poo is, after all, just dog poo. Short of corking up the creatures, it's going to happen.

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 22 May 2009, 09:01

Where do I start my petition against 10 metre dog leads?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 23 May 2009, 22:57

I feel I really want to go off on one on this subject. No way I wish to personally denigrate portocat but I do think the dog DNA database is bonkers. I have 2 questions for portocat firstly :, do you believe dogs should have the same unfettered beach defecation rights as, for example, seagulls, horses, cats and vultures? And let's say that once the DNA database is established - I decide to "frame" my upstairs neighbour by scooping Ellies shit out of the garden and depositing it on the beach? ?

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 24 May 2009, 06:04

Maybe the idea of a dog DNA database would make some owners more responsible if they thought there was a big chance they would be held acccountable.
But I suspect if a dog owner isn't going to pick up after their dog they're not going to get it registered.
Still the idea has stimulated debate

We definitley still have foxes around here. Saw one sitting on the sea wall about 3am.

admin: Off topic posts split to http://forum.talkporty.org/viewtopic.php?t=4616

Grunk · Post by **Grunk** » 02 Jun 2009, 12:53

What a mess the beach was this morning,

Surely there must be something that can be done to encourage people to be less selfish and think about their surroundings.

It must be like open season for the local environmental wardens, I wonder how many penalty notices they issued over the last week?

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 02 Jun 2009, 14:02

Yes it really was a tip.

I think it's great to see the youngsters enjoying themselves on the beach with a drink and a barbie but the mess of plastic and glass bottles this morning was ridiculous. It would only take them 5 minutes to clear up behind themselves and everyone would be happy.

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 03 Jun 2009, 08:17

I trhink the guys on the tractors and the other cleaners did a fantastic job.
they were out with refuse bags collecting bottles and cans before takingthe tractor along
there was also a flat bed truck piled high with rubbish.

I do get irked by the selfish attitude of those who half bury bottles or smash them on the Prom and surrounding area
Bet they'd be thefirst to complain if they cut their feet after a dip in the sea

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 03 Jun 2009, 09:54

Remember the sand pyramid? The Council Environmental Manager in charge of the beach told me the reason they finally had to pull it down, despite its popularity with kids, was that neds were deliberately leaving broken bottles upturned and partially hidden so that young kids would obviously shred themselves when climbing up the next day. He said it was only ever a problem during the summer period when the population in Porty can be quite transient - they would be happy to leave it for the other 46 weeks of the year.

Grunk · Post by **Grunk** » 03 Jun 2009, 14:30

It still amazes me that people like that are allowed to breed.

StarVanMan · Post by **StarVanMan** » 07 May 2010, 00:48

Fresh post, so to speak. Apologies to administrator that I couldnt find an existing topic on this.

Walked boys to nursery along Straiton Place this morning. Hello?? How bad does it have to get before we find a fix?? Stacking up in layers?

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 07 May 2010, 08:21

It's been getting really bad lately.
All it takes is one selfish dog owner with a couple of dogs to not clear up and this is the result.
I did see a couple of environmental health officers come up the lane two days ago, not sure if they spoke to or caught anyone though.
The more people that complain the Environmental health the better

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 07 May 2010, 11:42

I know that bit - its covered in keek and usually as smattering of broken glass as well. Soupy - do you have the e mail address of the Environmental Wardens?

Post by **wangi** » 07 May 2010, 11:51

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/Ci ... og_fouling

env.wardens@edinburgh.gov.uk

Lambie · Post by **Lambie** » 17 May 2010, 09:19

How about everyone starts carrying a stick of chalk and we draw a wide circle around any abandoned dog doo with a large "WARNING - DOG POO" written five feet in each direction?

Post by **wangi** » 17 May 2010, 09:54

Similar to the idea of cyclists carrying a can of fluorescent spray paint to flag big pot holes...

Lambie · Post by **Lambie** » 17 May 2010, 10:18

Years ago my Granda was locked in a war with his local council. They wouldn't do anything about the Grand Canyon like potholes in his road. He rallied some cronies and made tourist signs inviting passers by to "visit the scenic potholes". It ended up in local papers and eventually on tv. The council fixed the potholes.

Lambie · Post by **Lambie** » 17 May 2010, 12:14

Hamilton's at the top of Bath Street sells chalk for 50p.

An old lady said thank you and my day's been made.

Grunk · Post by **Grunk** » 17 May 2010, 12:38

Brilliant.

Post by **wangi** » 17 May 2010, 12:43

Money on this being in the Evening News?

Lambie · Post by **Lambie** » 17 May 2010, 12:44

50p Chalk of Shame.

Grunk · Post by **Grunk** » 17 May 2010, 12:53

If you manage to catch someone not cleaning up on a camerea phone, you could always post it on youtube and chalk in the link next to the poo.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 17 May 2010, 13:34

Funny! Well done! Could you post your number and we could text you if we see an unmarked bit?

Better be careful though - you'll be the one in Court for defacing Council property

Lambie · Post by **Lambie** » 17 May 2010, 17:10

Raging.

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 17 May 2010, 20:45

That spot where the hulk is - happens to be a firm favourite with whoever's dog does the really black poos - the need to give their dog a more varied diet as well as clean up after it! One day - will catch them on camera - also hoping to catch the 'turd meister' who lets their dog actually keek on the side of our house - come on.....its particularly nasty. This one though has a small dog and I don't think they live too far from us - we're closing in on you if you're reading.......You'll be on you tube v. soon.

Post by **wangi** » 17 May 2010, 21:50

That's a monster.

Sandra · Post by **Sandra** » 18 May 2010, 20:21

funny
we have dog and always clean up after it. But agree pavements/prom/grassy areas are getting worse.

Post by **wangi** » 19 May 2010, 16:45

wangi wrote:Money on this being in the Evening News?

And we have...

Talk of the Town wrote:The street graffiti approach to warning on dog mess

DOG fouling is a problem which never ceases to irritate the residents of the Capital.

Despite fines being introduced for owners who allow their pampered pooches to foul the pavements of the city, in some areas pedestrians still find themselves having to treat the ground beneath their feet as an obstacle course.

The problem has been a topic of some debate to contributors of the online Portobello forum 'talkPorty', who have highlighted the work of one fearless campaigner.

The person in question has kindly gone around local streets using chalk to highlight any offending doggy-doo - even posting warning signs such as "Careful. Dog poo Ahead!" to help wary walkers.

http://news.scotsman.com/comment/Talk-o ... 6301282.jp

Lambie · Post by **Lambie** » 20 May 2010, 21:08

http://www.guardian.co.uk/edinburgh/201 ... lo-dog-poo

Sandra · Post by **Sandra** » 21 May 2010, 13:08

saw that, you are famous!

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 21 May 2010, 21:17

I suggest we all buy chalk and join in.

The late Ivor Cutler used to make chalk flowers around the dog mess in his area
Looking around I think we'd end up with one of those70s type floral carpets

Bob Jefferson · Post by **Bob Jefferson** » 22 May 2010, 07:27

So, elkanary - now that you have been outed by the press, I realise that you are the same person who organised the community clear-up of the snow just a few months ago. I like your style. Community activism begins, literally, on the streets.

Lambie · Post by **Lambie** » 24 May 2010, 09:01

Cheers Bob, community pro-activism maybe. The pavement gritting was a lot of fun and to be honest so's the dog poo Chalk of Shame. Neither took up much time and both have a direct benefit to me. It feels good to contribute. I don't mind picking up a bit of litter while I'm out and about but I draw the line (literally) at picking up someone else's dog cack. I'd love it if everyone took to carrying a stick of chalk and writing quick warnings for fellow pedestrians.

I stopped to write up some dog apples on Saturday and a concerned resident shouted from across the road "If you're that bothered you should phone the council". I'm not sure what he meant by "that bothered" and it's been bothering me ever since. "THAT bothered". It felt like he was saying that my level of botherdness was too high. And what does he think the council should do?

Puerto bella · Post by **Puerto bella** » 24 May 2010, 14:20

I find the 'that bothered' thing really interesting.

I seem to come across people all the time that think that things are somebody else's problem or somebody else's job to sort out - its all of our problem and I love your initiative.

Its got more publicity for the dog keek problems of Porty in a week than an environmental warden could ever achieve.

Talk Porty ~ Portobello

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