Train Vibration / High Street Vibration

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 13 Dec 2005, 13:20

This is a bit an old chestnut that has been an ongoing problem for residents of W and EBC and those living near Baliyfield Road, for quite a few years. The problem appeared to diminish but seems to have increased more recently.

At last night BRA Agm it was decided that BRA would write to whomever is responsible for passenger and freight movement to make our observations known to them.

Three issues arose:

Diesel fumes polluting the air, a phenomenom noticed by residents of Rosefield.

Freight train vibration which goes on in the very earlly hours of the morning and is assumed to be caused by the use of four wheel carriages.

Off-duty passenger trains that park and idle on the Brighton Place bridge.

I am interested in garnering others' views and observation on the matter, prior to writing to the powers at be.

Franck · Post by **Franck** » 13 Dec 2005, 13:50

Porty, we must almost be neighbours!...although I'm not a resident assoc. activist...

Anyway, fair play to you and your colleagues, but all these factors must have been taken into account when you moved into our nice wee area?

I've lived on Brighton Place/Rosefield Ave/Southfield Place all my life ( I know, boring, but I like it here!!) and I cant really see any dramatic increase in what you refer too.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 13 Dec 2005, 14:23

Franck,

I don't think anyone is a BRA activist, believe me

I used to live in Stanley Street and in Mountcastle Crescent so for 35+ of my 46 years I have stayed close to the railway. I actually feel comforted by the sound of trains and don't find them overly obtrusive. I was totally cogniscant when i bought my house and I don't even consider the issues in hand as complaints. More of a request for good neighbour behaviour.

(I was lying in bed last night wondering if one can take out an ASBO on companies?)

In recent times there seems to be more and more freight traffic during the night. Many years ago residents were given an assurance that certain types of wagons would not be used to move coal etc. Apparently these wagons are now being used. I have had one PM from a baileyfield road resident who states their houses are being shaken to pieces.

There are real issues with the usage of the lines directly behind our houses. I still think its a great place to live but why not make it better all it takes is a little attention and respect.

Franck · Post by **Franck** » 13 Dec 2005, 17:10

Well if the goal post have been moved regarding the rolling stock being used, fair enough. I'm obviously a heavier sleeper than I thought!

Wonder how people would feel if they re-opened the line for passenger trains from Shangri-la to Waverley? I'm sure that would create more traffic/environmental issues.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 14 Dec 2005, 10:26

Re-opening the line would be fine and dandy if it were up to me. Passenger trains going about their normal business are no problem at all it is just when they park with their engines running. I blame the drivers.

Gemini · Post by **Gemini** » 17 Dec 2005, 11:52

Porty wrote:Franck,

In recent times there seems to be more and more freight traffic during the night. Many years ago residents were given an assurance that certain types of wagons would not be used to move coal etc. Apparently these wagons are now being used. I have had one PM from a baileyfield road resident who states their houses are being shaken to pieces.

There are real issues with the usage of the lines directly behind our houses. I still think its a great place to live but why not make it better all it takes is a little attention and respect.

As the Resident of Baileyfield Road, Porty refers too, I would just like
to add my concerns regarding the conveying of damaging vibrations, to
the propertiies on BR. I did not realise that assurances were given re
certain types wagons used for transporting coal!
Many know, that the ground conditions in and around BR are not ideal?
Some may also know, that BR res. used this criteria, in their precognition at the PI held in March? This was taken into consideration
by the reporter.

However, some may not realise, that at the time of the enabling and construction work for the SHLR, natural ground water levels were changed. This altered the flows of water in/out of the 'infilled' foundations
to the neighbouring built environment, which had not experienced any adverse problems, prior to the Road being built, ie for 80 years.

High levels of vibrations can cause some stress, on properties built on solid ground, however, high levels of vibrations cause havoc on properties that
are not on similar foundations - BR.

We have been dealing with Lawrence Marshall since 1996 with the problems at Baileyfield - created by LRC - Promoters and Designers of
SHLR. I have personally mentioned, the recent problems with the vibrations from trains to him.?
Perhaps BRA will be more succesfull?

ceejam · Post by **ceejam** » 19 Dec 2005, 15:50

Have noticed recently that our whole "modular business accomodation" (Portakabin) in Telferton shakes when a train goes past on the line to Leith. We are right beside the line though!

Is it just me, or arde the railways actually getting used a lot more these days than they have been?

promqueen · Post by **promqueen** » 03 Jan 2006, 20:12

There seems to be a lot af shuttling about around 3am, and it's pretty loud in Seafield Road East, disturbing the beauty sleep of residents. You should see us.

Bob Jefferson · Post by **Bob Jefferson** » 12 Jan 2006, 22:26

Porty's sleep problems get the Jane Bradley treatment in today's EN:

Sleeperless nights as rail traffic rises

Zargonian · Post by **Zargonian** » 21 Feb 2006, 14:12

As I live on Porty High Street, both me and my neighbours have noticed that everytime a juggernaut or indeed a bus when it flies along the High Street the entire block of flats that I live in shudders and sometimes with a large thump.

Anyone else noticed this?

ceejam · Post by **ceejam** » 23 Feb 2006, 14:56

I know when trains go past Telferton our whole "modular business accomodation" (Portakabins) shake soemthing rotten!!!

Gemini · Post by **Gemini** » 23 Feb 2006, 17:02

Residents at Baileyfield Road and at West Brighton are also
being disturbed by the Noise/Vibration.

Lawrence Marshall's response:
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=54952006

Maybe HQ have not alerted him to the following:?
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transp ... 341731.ece

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 23 Feb 2006, 17:05

Gemini wrote:Residents at Baileyfield Road and at West Brighton are also
being disturbed by the Noise/Vibration.

Lawrence Marshall's response:
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=54952006

Maybe HQ have not alerted him to the following:?
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transp ... 341731.ece

You'd better watch out, G, linking national issues with local ones in a forum like this!

Robin! · Post by **Robin!** » 23 Feb 2006, 20:49

I lived in Pipe Street and had this problem until the built Portobello Bypass aka Sir Harry Lauder's Road.

susie · Post by **susie** » 24 Feb 2006, 08:03

Zargonian wrote:As I live on Porty High Street, both me and my neighbours have noticed that everytime a juggernaut or indeed a bus when it flies along the High Street the entire block of flats that I live in shudders and sometimes with a large thump.

Anyone else noticed this?

yes i have. think there is a dip in the road, it is quite bad when the large heavy lorries to whizzing past

Cynthia · Post by **Cynthia** » 12 Mar 2006, 11:04

Have just found this topic and relieved to do so in a way. I live nearer the Kings Road end of Porty High St - tenement building - I have noticed much more vibration from buses and lorries passing by, over the past year, than ever noticed before and I have lived here 18 years - I thought it was just my building - so in a way relieved it is not. How far along the PHS is this affecting flats or houses?
In my block, It is not just on the High Street side it can be felt but also the other side of the building ie Forth side.....anyone any ideas why this seems worse than before and what needs to be done to remediate this? eg is it a structural problem of the roads, or are there heavier vehicles passing by now?
Carla

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 12 Mar 2006, 14:56

We're at the opposite end of the High Street to you Carla and we've noticed it much more now than when we moved here 7 years ago. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the buses are now every 5 minutes or so and so we end up with sometimes three on one side of the road and three on the other piled up at each bus stop, engines running, holding up the rest of the traffic.

Cynthia · Post by **Cynthia** » 12 Mar 2006, 19:03

Thanks Epycat - dare I say this is bound to be taking its toll of our old buildings also - I know the number of cracks in the walls have increased and wonder if this is the reason?
I also agree there maybe a dip or incline in the road that is causing vehicles to 'thud' - ie very loud bang of large vehicle in the road, followed by a shudder in my/our buildings - anyone have any idea about that? and what can we do about this? if nothing else, perhaps they can slow the cars and lorries and buses down a bit to stop this happening....or do something to the road to stop this 'thudding' of large vehicles.
It also made me think about the Council's strategy of concentrating on frequent double decker buses on some routes - presumably not concentrating on lesser routes....to attract most bus users to these main bus routes. While I am a bus user and appreciate frequent No 26s I am now wondering about the effect of all these large buses on the houses and flat nearby?
Suggest we individually email Lawrence Marshall and Maureen Child, asking the Council's road engineers look into or explain it - especially as there is work ongoing in the High St at present??
Carla

Post by **wangi** » 12 Mar 2006, 22:30

Carla wrote:It also made me think about the Council's strategy of concentrating on frequent double decker buses on some routes - presumably not concentrating on lesser routes....to attract most bus users to these main bus routes. While I am a bus user and appreciate frequent No 26s ...

Well for starters it's not the Council's strategy, is it? Anyway the plan is for greater frequency on core routes such that people do not have to rely on a timetable - they just have to turn up. This is absolutely essential in increase bus usage.

Of course a double-decker isn't essential to this - the 22 route is entirely run with single deckers.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 12 Mar 2006, 23:17

Most times (especially off peak) the buses are not even a quarter full. A lot of the time there are two or three right behind each other (26s) and sometimes there are only one or two people on each. I can't see how this is cost effective. It is a nice luxury to walk out the door straight onto a bus but I don't think people would mind waiting 10 minutes in between as long as the service is reliable. At the other extreme you're lucky to get a 32 once every half hour!

rathbone · Post by **rathbone** » 13 Mar 2006, 09:37

Epykat wrote: It is a nice luxury to walk out the door straight onto a bus

You should come down here and experience rural bus services. Some of our villages only have a bus to the nearest town one day a week (Tuesday) and even though it's full the bus company does not consider that to be cost effective and keeps threatening to cut it, forcing everyone into cars. So much for sustainability, but at least the buildings aren't being shoogled to death

sunnyporty · Post by **sunnyporty** » 14 Mar 2006, 13:13

I never get Shoogled unless there happens to be a stampede of cattle

I thought the government wanted everyone to get out of their cars and use public transport

Well there are NO buses within 2 miles of me and I could'nt live where I live or work where I work if I didn't have a car. Tractors now they thunder passed and then there is the slurry all the way up the road

Dont get me started

susie · Post by **susie** » 22 Mar 2006, 18:31

The dip in the road just past Adelphi place had some tar put in it. So far so good, how long it will last though god only knows. might get a sleep tonight as there are a few large lorries through the night that go over that dip and my house shakes.

Stephen McIntyre · Post by **Stephen McIntyre** » 22 Mar 2006, 23:40

I genuinely think its improved of late, doesn't seem nearly as bad.Here's hoping.

Zargonian · Post by **Zargonian** » 20 Apr 2006, 11:06

At approximately 6.30 this morning the biggest vibration so far hit my block.
The whole flat shuddered! Thought there was a Wizard of Oz moment and my flat was about to fly off!

I think it's time something was done. I don't want to have to go looking for Toto!

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