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2000 again?

Post by Maria » 20 Apr 2008, 11:40

Is Scotland really heading for a month of petrol shortages or is it tactical scaremongering?

Having spent the best part of my day yesterday in Ikea queuing, in order to take advantage of their '21% off everything' sale, I am not in a hurry to join any other queue. Plus panic buying just causes shortages, doesn't it?
On the other hand, maybe I should top up the tank "just in case'...... ? :?

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Post by Sandra » 20 Apr 2008, 17:12

we filled up this afternoon at Asda and it was really busy.

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Post by Maria » 20 Apr 2008, 19:02

I gave in and filled up too Sandra. In my defence, the tank was only a 1/4 full, so I needed to. I went to the Tesco one at Willowbrae, where there were queues.

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 21 Apr 2008, 00:06

I think there must be something wrong with me. While everyone around me seems to be obsessed with the price of petrol and working themselves into a frenzy about a possible shortage, I really couldn't care less. If the car doesn't work I'm sure I'll find some other way of getting from A to B.

I remember the nutters last time who stored hundreds of gallons of fuel in their houses, the idiots who filled their tank, drove around the corner and then joined the queue again.

I usually wait until the warning light has been flashing for at least a couple of days before I fill up and I get some kind of perverse satisfaction to see just how much fuel I then have to buy to re-fill the tank. I've had several new world-records recently in fact.

On the plus side, if there is a fuel shortage then maybe people will start to cut out some of the many needless journeys and pollution levels will fall. But of course that won't happen because they will all be waiting in a queue, engines idling, outside Asda. :roll:

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Post by SoupDragon » 21 Apr 2008, 00:17

Yeah Bob
Normally I'd agree wih you but why this week???
During the next week we've got a funeral and then my sis has to return home to Bristol
My mums funeral is not going to be stopped by a dispute over pensions , even if it means a skateboard and the kids shoving






I saw the panic buying in Bristol when rumour "fuelled" a shortage
They did run out of petrol but onl;y becaus of the rumour

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 21 Apr 2008, 00:39

SoupDragon wrote:even if it means a skateboard and the kids shoving
You see, there are always alternatives. And if you're really stuck, you can siphon my tank, assuming there's anything in it.

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Post by SoupDragon » 21 Apr 2008, 00:59

Thanks Bob
Just leave the keys with your mum in law and I'll be round wed night


Weird thing, not long ago we were discussing putting a padlock on my mums oil storage tank, (she had oil powered central heating )

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Post by BeachBum » 21 Apr 2008, 09:48

It was reported on the BBC news website this morning (the article posted at 07:57) that Grangemouth has already started the process of shutting down production.

I hope permits will be issued this year again if the strike goes ahead and fuel is rationed! Those permits given to certain key workers last time were a god send!

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Post by Maria » 21 Apr 2008, 11:00

michael_traill wrote:I hope permits will be issued this year again if the strike goes ahead and fuel is rationed! Those permits given to certain key workers last time were a god send!
Depends what they term 'key workers'. My pal, who was a doctor with a surgery out in Bathgate, was issued with one of those permits, but West Lothian council didn't issue education staff (the vast majority of whom, at my place of work in Livingston, lived in Edinburgh) with permits. Instead, we received a threatening letter saying that getting to work was our responsibility and failure to turn up was a disciplinary offence.

I was lucky last time that our old car took leaded fuel, which I could always find. Before anyone comments about public transport, I had spent many a time in our pre-car owning days waiting in vain, at a freezing cold St Andrew's Sq. bus station, for the first bus of the day to arrive. I would often arrive at work late and very stressed even before my day had begun. I considered moving out to live in Livingston, but thought taking driving lessons and buying a car the lesser of the two evils. :wink:

Now I work much nearer home and am confident I'd be able to get to work somehow. I won't be stock piling, but can understand why some folk would. Whilst telling folk not to panic buy, the media is also screaming out headlines warning of a possible national shortage. Oh and also giving out very little infomation about why there might be a strike.

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Post by Maria » 21 Apr 2008, 11:24

Bob Jefferson wrote:I usually wait until the warning light has been flashing for at least a couple of days before I fill up and I get some kind of perverse satisfaction to see just how much fuel I then have to buy to re-fill the tank. I've had several new world-records recently in fact.
Is this a male thing? Homer does it too and it drives me nuts. He had to admit he had carried it to the extreme, when we ran out of fuel on a remote and snow covered road in the Canadian Rockies (a motoring offence in Canada BTW) and had to free wheel to the hearest gas station :evil:

It is also bad for your car engine.

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Post by BeachBum » 21 Apr 2008, 11:31

Marya wrote: we received a threatening letter saying that getting to work was our responsibility and failure to turn up was a disciplinary offence.
We were giving equally stern advice a while back when the bus drivers went on strike, Council wide email if I recall. However, to be fair, I rather expect that it is peoples own responsibility to make their way to work. For those of us Council workers who work 25th/26th December, and 1st/2nd Jan we were always entitled to a taxi paid for by the council to and from work because of the restricted bus services. But this wasnt granted a few months ago because they deemed that as we were on triple time, we should have to pay for the taxis ourselves.

I hope people dont find it too frustrating when us Council workers go on strike later in the year. Seems on the cards at the minute. (Modernising pay)

But back to fuel strikes, isnt it pension related?

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Post by Maria » 21 Apr 2008, 11:48

michael_traill wrote: However, to be fair, I rather expect that it is peoples own responsibility to make their way to work.
But permits for key workers rather flies in the face of that doesn't it?
I don't have a problem with fire fighters, health workers etc being issued with permits, but I do have an issue with being threatened with being disciplined, when I reckon keeping schools staffed is also fairly 'key'. I can't choose to 'work from home' as many others can when faced with transport problems.
But back to fuel strikes, isnt it pension related?
Yes, but the issue isn't really explained beyond that.

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Post by wangi » 21 Apr 2008, 12:07

I think the jist of it the scheme is currently non-contributory. The evil corporate overlords want the staff to make a 5 or 6% contribution; unions say the company is making tons of cash, so why?

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Post by Maria » 21 Apr 2008, 12:48

Don't think it is just that on its own Wangi. Glancing at the Unite site it seems there's a raft of measures, which include closing the final salary pension scheme to new entrants and reducing provision for existing members.

The company also withdrew £40 million of assets from the pension scheme and reduced payments into the scheme. While I know such moves are legal, they also seem unjust. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that if you enter into an agreement with an employer then both sides should honour that contract. If a non-contributory pension, for example, was part of your agreed salary package, then to withdraw that from current members, without their agreement, is tantamount to a wage cut or theft.

It is fair enough to negotiate a different pension deal for new entrants.

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Post by BeachBum » 21 Apr 2008, 14:34

Some info about the dispute on the bbc news website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tay ... 358392.stm

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Post by Porty » 21 Apr 2008, 16:16

Why don't Northern Rock have drive through cash machines alongside petrol pumps and T in The Park ticket outlets? That way we could get most of our queuing over in a oner.

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Post by Maria » 21 Apr 2008, 17:08

michael_traill wrote:Some info about the dispute on the bbc news website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tay ... 358392.stm
Right, forget every thing I said previously. The deal that they are refusing is better than my pension scheme. :evil:

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Post by BeachBum » 22 Apr 2008, 12:32

Article on BBC news website, details the early effects of the (possible) strike action.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7360339.stm

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Post by Bazza » 22 Apr 2008, 15:38

Well, I hope there's another blockade like last time. That was one of the most pleasant cycles to work I've ever had. It was just me and another couple of cyclists riding down Leith Walk. Lovely :-)

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Post by Porty » 22 Apr 2008, 16:18

As they say; every cloud..... :D

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Post by Bob Jefferson » 22 Apr 2008, 17:08

I filled up at Dreghorn today. It was no busier than normal although the guy behind the counter told me that it had been incredibly busy yesterday. So, the panic buyers have now filled their tanks and must now be very frustrated. How on earth are they going to manage to get more fuel into their car when it's already full?

Let's think, there's a minimum purchase of 2 litres. Hmm, if I drive round the bypass a couple of times at 90 mph that should just about do it. :idea:

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Post by Maria » 22 Apr 2008, 17:34

Bob Jefferson wrote:I filled up at Dreghorn today......... So, the panic buyers have now filled their tanks and must now be very frustrated. How on earth are they going to manage to get more fuel into their car when it's already full?
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Ha! If you had filled up on Sunday, when Sandra and I did, you'd have some space in your tank by now :wink:

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Post by SoupDragon » 22 Apr 2008, 18:52

We've now got a padlock on mums oil fired CH tank.
Was talking to the neighbours seems a few folk in the area have had their tanks emptied by a white tanker which looks as if it's delivering. Didn't know those things could sook as well as blaw.
Not noticed the same queues at the forecourts as there were on Sunday.
Reckon I've enough petrol to last a while
I'm telling sis we'll use my car for all the running about so she can get back home at the weekend

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Post by Maria » 22 Apr 2008, 21:06

SoupDragon wrote:We've now got a padlock on mums oil fired CH tank.
Was talking to the neighbours seems a few folk in the area have had their tanks emptied by a white tanker which looks as if it's delivering.
Blooming heck! That's an elaborate (and expensive sounding ) way to rob :shock:

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Post by SoupDragon » 23 Apr 2008, 08:58

Must be paying them, Marya
The bbc had an item on the news about tanks being drained in rural Devon but I never thought it would happen in an area where theres neighbours etc.

Of course it looks just like a delivery
Seems to have been widespread in Northern Ireland around the beginning of the year BBC

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Post by BeachBum » 24 Apr 2008, 15:48

Apparently there were some concerns that Lothian Buses are going to run out of fuel, according to Lothian Buses themseleves earlier today, but soon changed their mind, On the BBC news website it says:

"At lunchtime on Thursday (today), Edinburgh-based Lothian Buses announced that it did not expect to be able to run any services after Sunday evening because BP was prioritising deliveries to petrol stations instead.

But a short time later, the Scottish Government issued a statement saying there had been a "misunderstanding" and the bus company would receive diesel from BP.

Lothian Buses then gave reassurances that its fleet would be fuelled and services would run as normal."

Link to initial article where Lothian buses said they would run out of fuel at weekend:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edi ... 364936.stm

Link to a second article, saying there had been a misunderstanding, as written out above: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7364842.stm


Edit: Added a second link.

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Post by Porty » 25 Apr 2008, 03:07

WAICYY- races.

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