George Best - sympathy going out

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 24 Nov 2005, 11:32

I would like to extend my sympathies to all of the members of the print and tv media who have been waiting, on/off, in the cold, for what seems like forever, outside George Best's hospital.

I am sure they wish for a speedy conclusion, and at this difficult time for them I would like to send my sympathies.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 24 Nov 2005, 12:33

Well said. They are all desperately trying to get a shot of Georgie boy dribbling again.

Is he a blonde, magnet or what?

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 24 Nov 2005, 14:15

Dadaist wrote:I would like to extend my sympathies to all of the members of the print and tv media who have been waiting, on/off, in the cold, for what seems like forever, outside George Best's hospital.

I am sure they wish for a speedy conclusion, and at this difficult time for them I would like to send my sympathies.

They shouldn't have to wait too much longer it seems.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4465456.stm

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 24 Nov 2005, 14:18

ecm wrote:
Dadaist wrote:I would like to extend my sympathies to all of the members of the print and tv media who have been waiting, on/off, in the cold, for what seems like forever, outside George Best's hospital.

I am sure they wish for a speedy conclusion, and at this difficult time for them I would like to send my sympathies.
They shouldn't have to wait too much longer it seems.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4465456.stm

you're on the ball - good catch

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 24 Nov 2005, 20:21

I did have to cough in disbelief when they announced that he's donating his organs

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 25 Nov 2005, 01:01

Epykat wrote:I did have to cough in disbelief when they announced that he's donating his organs

He is a transplant legend - there are many people who have received George Best's organ.

xxxx · Post by **xxxx** » 25 Nov 2005, 08:58

Todays news
Georgy Best still not dead
Change in licensing laws don't cause the end of civilisation
Blink and you'll miss something

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 25 Nov 2005, 11:22

Alex McLeish is thinking of taking him on loan.

In an infamous incident at the North Britisjh Hotel my brother had a sort of playfight with George Best he ended up on top of George pinning him to the floor. It was in the public bar.

I am fascinated with the fascination in his imminenet death. I don't really get it.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 25 Nov 2005, 14:44

The wait is over.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 25 Nov 2005, 20:26

Dadaist wrote:The wait is over.

But not for the people who could have had the liver he destroyed........

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 25 Nov 2005, 20:41

Epykat wrote:
Dadaist wrote:The wait is over.
But not for the people who could have had the liver he destroyed........

Yes.

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 26 Nov 2005, 13:42

I do not think it was a waste of a liver to give it to George Best. Abused yes, but waste no.
If being perfect or 'better' than your neighbour is a pre-requisite of receiving medical care, then hospitals would be very empty places!

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 26 Nov 2005, 13:53

They probably died before him.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Nov 2005, 14:04

Pal of Porty wrote:I do not think it was a waste of a liver to give it to George Best. Abused yes, but waste no.
If being perfect or 'better' than your neighbour is a pre-requisite of receiving medical care, then hospitals would be very empty places!

I don't think anyone has said it was a waste of a liver. At the time he was offered it he said he wouldn't drink again. But Epykat is right - livers are at a real premium and you can't deny he could have treated the 2nd one better.

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 26 Nov 2005, 14:41

Dadaist wrote:I don't think anyone has said it was a waste of a liver. At the time he was offered it he said he wouldn't drink again. But Epykat is right - livers are at a real premium and you can't deny he could have treated the 2nd one better.

I could not agree more - I think it was disgraceful the way he treated his new liver, even although he probably meant it when he said that he would not drink again.
I view it in a similar light to the way that Doctors have to treat a lot of people who are suffering from smoke related diseases, many of whom continue to smoke afterwords. They should refuse to treat them and with the money they save, give me an annual MRI scan to catch anything I may early.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 26 Nov 2005, 15:22

Pal of Porty wrote:, give me an annual MRI scan to catch anything I may early.

I fear it may be to late, your lucididty is failing.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Nov 2005, 15:29

Porty wrote:
Pal of Porty wrote:, give me an annual MRI scan to catch anything I may early.
I fear it may be to late, your lucididty is failing.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye ...

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 26 Nov 2005, 18:12

i know, i shouldn't go there

Franck · Post by **Franck** » 26 Nov 2005, 18:12

Franck · Post by **Franck** » 26 Nov 2005, 18:12

Franck wrote:[quote="Dadaist]
I don't think anyone has said it was a waste of a liver. At the time he was offered it he said he wouldn't drink again. But Epykat is right - livers are at a real premium and you can't deny he could have treated the 2nd one better.

Aye, being an alcoholic was so selfish of him,eh? The man had a disease, one that he couldnt control.He found himself living a life no-one on this message board could possibly comprehend-because he was exceptional at football- and drink was his escape.

Anyway, at times like these, it's not about how he could have spent his life better according to the rules of the portobello on-line community, it's about paying respect to someone who brought joy to many many people-a good few from the east side of Edinburgh.

RIP Bestie.[/quote]

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 26 Nov 2005, 18:23

Franck wrote:
Franck wrote: Aye, being an alcoholic was so selfish of him,eh? The man had a disease, one that he couldnt control.He found himself living a life no-one on this message board could possibly comprehend-because he was exceptional at football- and drink was his escape.

Anyway, at times like these, it's not about how he could have spent his life better according to the rules of the portobello on-line community, it's about paying respect to someone who brought joy to many many people-a good few from the east side of Edinburgh.

RIP Bestie.

Back of the net, Franck!

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Nov 2005, 20:32

Franck wrote:
Dadaist wrote: I don't think anyone has said it was a waste of a liver. At the time he was offered it he said he wouldn't drink again. But Epykat is right - livers are at a real premium and you can't deny he could have treated the 2nd one better.
Aye, being an alcoholic was so selfish of him,eh? The man had a disease, one that he couldnt control.He found himself living a life no-one on this message board could possibly comprehend-because he was exceptional at football- and drink was his escape.

Anyway, at times like these, it's not about how he could have spent his life better according to the rules of the portobello on-line community, it's about paying respect to someone who brought joy to many many people-a good few from the east side of Edinburgh.

RIP Bestie.

I made no comment on alcoholism or any other psychological or psychiatric disorder and I'll thank you to not put words into my mouth.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 26 Nov 2005, 20:40

Franck wrote:Anyway, at times like these, it's not about how he could have spent his life better according to the rules of the portobello on-line community...

They're not rules, they're opinions.

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 26 Nov 2005, 21:17

Epykat wrote:
Dadaist wrote:The wait is over.
But not for the people who could have had the liver he destroyed........

There's no denying that continuing to drink after his transplant wasn't in his best interest but from what I understand he died, not because his new liver was irreparably damaged, rather his death was a result of numerous infections that transplant donees are very susceptible to due to the many drugs they have to take to prevent rejection of their transplanted organ.
Presumably this could have happened whether he chose to drink again or not.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Nov 2005, 21:21

ecm wrote:
Epykat wrote:
Dadaist wrote:The wait is over.
But not for the people who could have had the liver he destroyed........
There's no denying that continuing to drink after his transplant wasn't in his best interest but from what I understand he died, not because his new liver was irreparably damaged, rather his death was a result of numerous infections that transplant donees are very susceptible to due to the many drugs they have to take to prevent rejection of their transplanted organ.
Presumably this could have happened whether he chose to drink again or not.

Continued drinking + infections + already transplanted once before + anti-rejection medication == not suitable for re-use, afaik.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 27 Nov 2005, 15:15

Dadaist wrote:I made no comment on alcoholism or any other psychological or psychiatric disorder and I'll thank you to not put words into my mouth.

Is there room for any more in there?

Good post Franck.

I don't think anyone was intentionally dissing Best. Epykat's got her opinions and she ain't gonna change them. It is the backbone of POL.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 27 Nov 2005, 15:27

Porty wrote:Epykat's got her opinions and she ain't gonna change them.

Yeah you said it. At least ours are up for scrutiny. This has got to be one of the few times I've agreed with Epy. It's a nice feeling.

bellybabe · Post by **bellybabe** » 27 Nov 2005, 18:09

It's frustrating that so many people who need one don't get a new liver, but I also agree with Franck that alcoholism is a disease rather than a lifestyle choice. If he had cancer and was given treatment to make it better and keep him alive longer, and the cancer came back, we might not be quite so judgemental. Just a thought.

Did find the media hype over the imminent death bizarre though, although perhaps not as bizarre as the quote from someone on the Today programme explaining why he was such a brilliant footballer. He said "He could do everything - he could do headers, and he could use both feet."

Wow.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 27 Nov 2005, 18:25

I don't recall reading anywhere in the thread that alcoholism was a lifestyle choice.

Drink driving certainly represents a choice having been made though - a wrong one.

bellybabe · Post by **bellybabe** » 27 Nov 2005, 18:42

Dadaist wrote:I don't recall reading anywhere in the thread that alcoholism was a lifestyle choice.

I don't recall saying "It says in this thread that alcoholism is a lifestyle choice".

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 27 Nov 2005, 18:48

bellybabe wrote:I don't recall saying "It says in this thread that alcoholism is a lifestyle choice".

versus

bellybabe wrote:I also agree with Franck that alcoholism is a disease rather than a lifestyle choice

merits :

bellybabe · Post by **bellybabe** » 27 Nov 2005, 18:53

Whatever.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 27 Nov 2005, 18:59

Bellybabe wrote:Whatever.

Gemini · Post by **Gemini** » 27 Nov 2005, 19:35

I was sad to learn of the demise of George Best, surely one of the greatest footballers, these Islands have ever produced, well
maybe after Jimmy Johnstone

As already said, Alcoholism is a disease, I think ECM and Franck
summed up my own feelings admirably.

I can understand where Epy is coming from - my favourite sister
in law, has a liver condition, which will neccessitate a transplant some time in the future, she is not a drinker of alcohol.
However, I have been told that the Liver can regenerate itself

I am not familiar with the procedures on this.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 27 Nov 2005, 19:51

The regeneration thing is where the donor is living. Unlike kidneys (you've got 2, you can survive with just one but once you donate it you don't grow a new one) livers regenerate a bit. They are also separated into 2 lobes and you can donate one while you're still alive - current medical controversy.

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