Tommy Sheridan

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 13 Nov 2004, 16:40

Porty wrote:Thanks M and ECM.

I like this quote from Tam

'People are putting two and two together and getting 25."

He must be baffled as he normally adds two and two together and gets 37.

Whereas it doesn't matter what Porty adds - he always gets 20%

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 13 Nov 2004, 19:08

Dada, I don't think Rachel Corrie was an accident, especially when one examines the photos. My point was Israeli bulldozers are accurate.

You have in the past taken me to task for appearing to avoid addressing some direct questions. May I invite you to comment on who Tommy was thinking of when he made this comparison with himself?

"Those who have wanted to change the world throughout history have always been scoffed at but they've always been right in the long run.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 13 Nov 2004, 19:54

How do you know it was a comparison with himself? The book was co-written with Alan McCombes for starters. Tommy is an internationalist, so it's not just the SSP he might be referring to, but the entire global movement.

So rather than it being a comparison of one individual to one or more others, is it not merely a pointed (and in my opinion, correct) statement that progressive movements or individuals with foresight have in a lot of cases become famous not only for what they achieved, but for the obstacles they overcame?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 13 Nov 2004, 20:12

The quote isn't from a book its from a Scotsman interview. He is talking about the SSP rather than just himself, to most people its one and the same thing.

"What would you say to your critics who claim that the SSP is home simply to a protest vote from those yearning for a mythical socialist past.
John Monaghan

I think psephologically speaking it's complete and utter nonsense. Those who vote SSP stay SSP voters. Those who vote SSP are more likely to join us than any other political party because we're an activist based party. In other words, people don't vote SSP because they want to protest. They vote SSP because they want to change the world.

Those who have wanted to change the world throughout history have always been scoffed at but they've always been right in the long run. "

Once again, who or what is he referring to? And with the exception of the "scoffing" bit can whatever he is referring to be reasonably compared?

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 13 Nov 2004, 23:38

Given his historic and political roots - most probably the UK Labour and Trades Union movement - which as a former member of Militant he is most closely associated with.

The more subtle point, to my mind, is that the comparison is with anyone who has felt forced to take action against something they perceived to be injust - of which there are many more examples but again in his context could refer to CND, the poll tax movement or the fight against Bush and Blair's wars.

But movements don't have to be so high profile - I would be happy to include a fight to save free school meals in the list.

And to think that the most immediate conclusion which you drew was that Tommy admired Hitler.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 14 Nov 2004, 02:26

Dadaist wrote:And to think that the most immediate conclusion which you drew was that Tommy admired Hitler.

Im not biting. I only used Hitler to disprove Tommy's facile statement.

However, lets compare Tam with Hitler or Clinton Bush or Stalin or Churchill or Clough ot Gorbachov or Ceaucesceau or Stein or Smith (Walter) or McGahgey or Scargill or Salmond or Bremner or Thorpe or Smith (Ian) etc. One significant difference from Tam and all of the above is; when his wife got pregnant he jacked it in.

Dada, the guy doesn't have the substance to handle being a Dad to be and a leader of an organisation that has less than 10 staff. What other area of life would he deemed to be succesful? His wife is not ill she is pregnant.

Mind you, Tommy didn't used to need his wife's pregnancy as a reason for not going to work, he only managed to make it 62% of the time during the last session. He may not be a t osser but I'm afraid, on the publicly available evidence, that's how he conducts himself.

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 14 Nov 2004, 03:13

Look at the time Porty! Go to bed!

Post by **wangi** » 14 Nov 2004, 03:21

Marya wrote:Look at the time Porty! Go to bed!

So says the one... oh shi...

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 14 Nov 2004, 10:02

Marya wrote:Look at the time Porty! Go to bed!

I thought you Mods wanted people on POL or is that just your maternal instincts showing through Marya

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 14 Nov 2004, 10:19

Apologies for the late night rant Dada.

Jamesie must still be out.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 14 Nov 2004, 10:55

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 14 Nov 2004, 11:11

Dadaist wrote:

Really?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 14 Nov 2004, 19:29

What do you think of his perfrmances on TV this morning?

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 14 Nov 2004, 20:16

I didn't see them. I was too busy spending time with my family.

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 14 Nov 2004, 20:37

I guess that rules you out as Convener then?

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 12 Feb 2005, 12:56

Are you going to be voting this weekend then Dadaist? I spent Thu night in the company of Colin Fox's campaign manager. We all gathered round the tele to watch her being interviewed on 'Politics Now' about the leadership contest, only for the screen to freeze. When the reception returned we had missed her interview entirely

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 12 Feb 2005, 13:13

No. I hope it's Colin, but when you read the statements they made I'm glad to not be there - it looks bitter.

This weekend I'm working overtime, having a driving lesson, spending time with the girls and visiting our friend's new baby.

I guess if I got nostalgic for an SSP conference I could always cheer myself up by watching "The Life Of Brian".

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 12 Feb 2005, 17:05

Dadaist wrote: I guess if I got nostalgic for an SSP conference I could always cheer myself up by watching "The Life Of Brian".

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 06 Jul 2006, 13:43

Gemini wrote:Like Dadaist, I am also saddened by Tommy Sheridan's resignation,
I beleive that he was/is principled, which is a helluva lot more than I can say about any other Polictical Leader, in fact, I cannot for the life of me, think of any Politicians's in this Country with any morals/principles - a bunch of gutless numpties who are legends in their own lunchtimes.

mr magnolia wrote:Don't care what your politics are, I think Scotland's politics will be poorer without him on the front line.

One of very few politicians that I have consistently been able to trust that what he says is what he means, even if I didn't necessarily agree with it.

mr magnolia wrote:
Porty wrote:
Hope the personal reasons do not concern the baby thats imminent.
Well I think they most certainly do, but only 'cos he wants to be a good dad.

Good Dad

And I have every sympathy for him and his fears!

Dadaist wrote:
Marya wrote:Ghandi? Fidel Castro? Emily Pankhurst? Jesus Christ?
more likely Randhi and Emily Spankhurst after the last days revelations...

Porty wrote:Thanks M and ECM.

I like this quote from Tam

'People are putting two and two together and getting 25."

He must be baffled as he normally adds two and two together and gets 37.

Porty wrote:"Gail praised her husband's decision to step down. She said: 'I think what he's doing is dead brave and a big sacrifice - and that shows his strength.
All this baby thing has just finished him off.He realises he has to be grown-up and take on new responsibilities.'

I rest my case.

Last night on Newsnight Tommy announced that "Its a marathon not a sprint" . Surely its a snickers?

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 06 Jul 2006, 13:48

I'm just loving this. I thought it was hysterical when the judge gave the public gallery a row for laughing out loud at the evidence yesterday

. Really tempted to go and sit in some time this week. Anyone want to chum me?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 06 Jul 2006, 13:50

Epykat wrote:I'm just loving this. I thought it was hysterical when the judge gave the public gallery a row for laughing out loud at the evidence yesterday . Really tempted to go and sit in some time this week. Anyone want to chum me?

Fancy a threesome?

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 06 Jul 2006, 13:54

Porty wrote:
Epykat wrote:I'm just loving this. I thought it was hysterical when the judge gave the public gallery a row for laughing out loud at the evidence yesterday . Really tempted to go and sit in some time this week. Anyone want to chum me?
Fancy a threesome?

You, me and POP?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 06 Jul 2006, 13:57

He's on holiday. How about Tommy, Susan Deacon and You and I will watch? (As if I could bring myself

)

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 06 Jul 2006, 14:05

Porty wrote:He's on holiday. How about Tommy, Susan Deacon and You and I will watch? (As if I could bring myself )

Nah, I don't think Tommy would have the energy for me and Susan Deacon at the same time. How about You, Rosie Kane and Jack and I could go and make a cup of tea since I'm really not interested in what you get up to in your spare time?

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 06 Jul 2006, 14:10

I bought the Sun today. I didn't even know you got clubs like that. I must have been at the wrong SSP meetings.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 06 Jul 2006, 14:14

I got the Express today but can't wait to get my hands on the Record later coz they've got about 6 pages worth

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 06 Jul 2006, 14:53

Dadaist wrote:I bought the Sun today. I didn't even know you got clubs like that. I must have been at the wrong SSP meetings.

Either that or your not a good dad.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 06 Jul 2006, 15:35

Do you think the SSP vote will suffer - will there be a whiplash backlash?

Porty · Post by **Porty** » 06 Jul 2006, 16:18

I think the SSP will end up in hot water with some disreputable characters.

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 06 Jul 2006, 16:44

Porty wrote:I think the SSP will end up in hot water with some disreputable characters.

Wrong tense

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 08 Jul 2006, 19:22

So...... the bounder did it - his best pal says so

Sandra · Post by **Sandra** » 08 Jul 2006, 21:50

If I'd known SSP stood for Serial Swingers Party I might have joined

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 09 Jul 2006, 10:35

Sandra wrote:If I'd known SSP stood for Serial Swingers Party I might have joined

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 09 Jul 2006, 11:56

The future's bright .....

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 10 Jul 2006, 21:58

His BROTHER IN LAW??????