New style what we weren't consulted on

Black Mamba · Post by **Black Mamba** » 25 Mar 2007, 19:51

I certainly got a surprise logging in tonight!!! I'm going to give it few days and see it it settles with me. It's certainly different and I appreciatte all the hard work that went into it. Well done Wangi, it certainly makes us a bit different.I quite like it.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 25 Mar 2007, 20:42

wangi wrote: I'm not willing to have two styles on the board

All the more reason to give a choice to the people who use it as to whether they want it changed in the first place, and if they do, a say on what the new style should be.

PortyConvert · Post by **PortyConvert** » 25 Mar 2007, 21:29

I switched straight away when i found i could go back to original..... but i'll change to the new style for a few days to "give it a chance" .... will report back

Black Mamba · Post by **Black Mamba** » 25 Mar 2007, 21:59

Dadaist wrote: All the more reason to give a choice to the people who use it as to whether they want it changed in the first place, and if they do, a say on what the new style should be.

You can't please everyone all the time and at least something has been attempted to make the forum a bit different and a bit more interesting.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 25 Mar 2007, 22:04

Black Mamba wrote:
Dadaist wrote: All the more reason to give a choice to the people who use it as to whether they want it changed in the first place, and if they do, a say on what the new style should be.
You can't please everyone all the time and at least something has been attempted to make the forum a bit different and a bit more interesting.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Black Mamba · Post by **Black Mamba** » 25 Mar 2007, 22:11

Ooh you really are ticked off about this arn't you Dada.
Matbe you should try a course of Prozac!! It does help

Sandra · Post by **Sandra** » 26 Mar 2007, 09:58

I think the slight change of colour between posts works very well.

rathbone · Post by **rathbone** » 26 Mar 2007, 10:01

Black Mamba wrote:Matbe you should try a course of Prozac!! It does help

So does reverting to the old format.

Post by **wangi** » 26 Mar 2007, 10:08

rathbone wrote:So does reverting to the old format.

Your specific concern re the black edit box has been fixed - what other concerns do you have?

seashell · Post by **seashell** » 26 Mar 2007, 10:24

Could the colour scheme possibly be reviewed?
As stated before, thre is less contrast with a blue background than there was with a white background.
The images for links are quite bright - perhaps they could be toned down a bit?
Any chance of re-introducing the back lines to clearly differentiate between posts?

Pal of Porty · Post by **Pal of Porty** » 26 Mar 2007, 10:26

Way to go Wangi.

If I want to be consulted on everything then I will apply to join the 'committee'.

Post by **wangi** » 26 Mar 2007, 10:37

seashell wrote:Could the colour scheme possibly be reviewed?
As stated before, thre is less contrast with a blue background than there was with a white background.
The images for links are quite bright - perhaps they could be toned down a bit?
Any chance of re-introducing the back lines to clearly differentiate between posts?

The contrast between the black text and the light blue background is pretty much the same as it was previously. In subSilver only the page surround is white (and that was a mod I made), the background behind the text is various shades of grey.

Finally, some constructive feedback re the colour. Yes, we are looking at a less bright yellow shade. For example:

I have added a slight change in tint to every second post, this should help those looking to differentiate between the posts. This will need to be tweaked as it currently shows little difference on some displays.

Dadaist · Post by **Dadaist** » 26 Mar 2007, 11:13

Pal of Porty wrote:Way to go Wangi.

If I want to be consulted on everything then I will apply to join the 'committee'.

Yeah sure, if it was all or nothing. Nobody has said they wanted to be consulted on "everything".

But they *did* consult on the name. Why not consult on the look too?

If you bought a car you'd maybe want a say in the colour if it was a new car. Fords only came in black - at least with them you knew what you were getting. Second hand cars are a certain colour also - you buys if you wants.

But if you woke up one morning and someone had painted your existing car Dyno-Rod dayglo without your knowledge or permission, you'd at least raise an eyebrow!

rathbone · Post by **rathbone** » 26 Mar 2007, 14:27

wangi wrote:
rathbone wrote:So does reverting to the old format.
Your specific concern re the black edit box has been fixed - what other concerns do you have?

if you refer back to my last but one post:
wangi wrote:
"That's an oversight, and something which will be changed. I'm sure you understand it's hard to test every browser combination, especially when you cannot run them (Like yours - Safari). Now fixed."

and I replied:

"Thank you.

Now can we have lines back between each posting, then I might consider unilaterally switching to the whizzy new format."

To be quite specific: Following my detached retina last year I now have partial vision in my right eye, leaving me with a black 'bar' which obscures part of each line of text I read. With the new format not having clear divisions between each posting I have to close one eye to differentiate between each post ( and you're right, the slight changes in tint don't show up on my display). Consequently, without lines between the posts, I find it difficult to navigate.

Unlike P.O.P., I think in this case a little consultation would have saved an awful lot of bother. Like everyone else, I appreciate the amount of work that you put into it, but with hindsight wouldn't it have been better if the "committee" had told us they were thinking about changing the look of the site, given the rest of us a preview and asked us what we thought about it, before going ahead and imposing it on us?

Post by **wangi** » 26 Mar 2007, 14:32

rathbone wrote:Unlike P.O.P., I think in this case a little consultation would have saved an awful lot of bother. Like everyone else, I appreciate the amount of work that you put into it, but with hindsight wouldn't it have been better if the "committee" had told us they were thinking about changing the look of the site, given the rest of us a preview and asked us what we thought about it, before going ahead and imposing it on us?

It's hard enough when working with a small group of people to agree on something. Expand that out to everyone and all the time is spent in discussion, with no time left to actually implement anything.

rathbone · Post by **rathbone** » 26 Mar 2007, 14:36

wangi wrote: It's hard enough when working with a small group of people to agree on something. Expand that out to everyone and all the time is spent in discussion, with no time left to actually implement anything.

It's also normal to conduct market research before developing a product.

Post by **wangi** » 26 Mar 2007, 14:43

rathbone wrote:It's also normal to conduct market research before developing a product.

Pay me the wages and i'll be happy to spend that time...

rathbone · Post by **rathbone** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:02

What's your hourly rate?

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:03

Personally, I think it all looks great. I notice that "waves" have now been added to divide the posts a bit. Hopefully that'll cheer some folks up a bit.

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:03

rathbone wrote:Unlike P.O.P., I think in this case a little consultation would have saved an awful lot of bother. Like everyone else, I appreciate the amount of work that you put into it, but with hindsight wouldn't it have been better if the "committee" had told us they were thinking about changing the look of the site, given the rest of us a preview and asked us what we thought about it, before going ahead and imposing it on us?

There have been several posts explaining that changes were (and still are!) afoot Rathbone. As you know we decided the new name for the site through a user group, but it is impractical, as Wangi says, to consult for every change. It is important to the Administration team that talkporty.org is a recognisably independent entity from POL and a change of logo and theme is part of that.

The group of Admin staff and Mods were the guinea pigs for the initial design changes and then it was decided to make the new theme available to all users for comments and feedback. I admit there should have been an announcement to this effect rather than letting users feel that change had been forced on them and I now regret that this was not done

Naturally, we want posters to be able to use the site as easily as possible and that is why Wangi is responding to issues/difficulties raised by users. Constructive criticism will never be ignored.

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:07

Marya wrote: I admit there should have been an announcement to this effect rather than letting users feel that change had been forced on them and I now regret that this was not done

You're being far too reasonable. You should be telling all the moaning minnies to get to Falkirk and get on with it!

Maria · Post by **Maria** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:10

ecm wrote:[You're being far too reasonable. You should be telling all the moaning minnies to get to Falkirk and get on with it!

Welcome back ecm

teddygirl · Post by **teddygirl** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:21

I for one appreciate the changes that have been made since the moaning minnies (myself included, though reasonably, I hope)made their feelings known. There was no way that everyone was just going to accept a huge change with no comments being made about it and equally so not everyone was going to like it straight away.After all, this is a discussion forum and we should be able to air our opinions on something as important as the forum itself. I am getting used to it and it has made things livlier on here

rathbone · Post by **rathbone** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:22

Nice to see you back ECM. I don't think we 've been moaning, only trying to give feedback

and what's wrong with Falkirk

(you don't need to answer that.)

Marya wrote:
..... it was decided to make the new theme available to all users for comments and feedback. I admit there should have been an announcement to this effect rather than letting users feel that change had been forced on them and I now regret that this was not done

Naturally, we want posters to be able to use the site as easily as possible and that is why Wangi is responding to issues/difficulties raised by users. Constructive criticism will never be ignored.

Thanks. The point that I was making was that a lot of this thread would have been superfluous if that announcement had been made at the start.

Now, as to addressing my concerns, Wangi has been addressing them promptly and efficiently...... barely had I explained why I need lines between the posts then nice wavy ones appeared.

Thanks Mr. W.

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:28

ecm wrote:Personally, I think it all looks great. I notice that "waves" have now been added to divide the posts a bit. Hopefully that'll cheer some folks up a bit.

I like the waves...they definitely help to differentiate between posts

One thing I've noticed....when I "quote" a post, the text size goes really small in the box for posting ...its also quite a blurry shade of black. Does anyone else have that problem and can I amend it

I'm having to wear my specs all the time now on TP

EDIT...actually just realised that the text is really small and blurry when you just post a reply, without quoting

ecm · Post by **ecm** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:47

rathbone wrote: I don't think we 've been moaning, only trying to give feedback and what's wrong with Falkirk (you don't need to answer that.)

Dear Rathers and lovely TG, I was only joking (or was I?

) about the moany minnies bit. Don't mind me, I'm just being a grumpy git today.

Nowt wrong with Falkirk. It's just an expression and kinder than saying Get to fuck. Which we still can't say, probably.

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 26 Mar 2007, 15:52

For Wangi, constructive criticism
I like the waves between the posts. It makes it easier to see at a glance where one ends and another begins.
I appreciate your efforts

I would'nt mind the texts when posting a reply being bigger

PS my gran used to say away to Freuchie, perhaps Falkirk as a bit too much strong language for her

edit coz I'm a numpty (see foxys post)

Post by **wangi** » 26 Mar 2007, 16:06

foxy wrote:One thing I've noticed....when I "quote" a post, the text size goes really small in the box for posting ...its also quite a blurry shade of black. Does anyone else have that problem and can I amend it I'm having to wear my specs all the time now on TP

EDIT...actually just realised that the text is really small and blurry when you just post a reply, without quoting

On the list, but I'd like to recommend a great way to "fix" this one... Install Firefox

Seriously, I will fix this for IE.

The current waves are just a proof of concept - I need to implement this properly, rather than just a hack.

teddygirl · Post by **teddygirl** » 26 Mar 2007, 16:39

ecm wrote:
rathbone wrote: I don't think we 've been moaning, only trying to give feedback and what's wrong with Falkirk (you don't need to answer that.)
Dear Rathers and lovely TG, I was only joking (or was I? ) about the moany minnies bit. Don't mind me, I'm just being a grumpy git today.

Nowt wrong with Falkirk. It's just an expression and kinder than saying Get to ***. Which we still can't say, probably.

Too late to go sooking up now you grumpy old git

Seriously though it's good to know that you are still keeping in touch with what's going on, keep posting, it's always good to hear from you

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 26 Mar 2007, 17:26

SoupDragon wrote:I would mind the texts when posting a reply being bigger

...you would?

foxy · Post by **foxy** » 26 Mar 2007, 17:45

wangi wrote:
foxy wrote:One thing I've noticed....when I "quote" a post, the text size goes really small in the box for posting ...its also quite a blurry shade of black. Does anyone else have that problem and can I amend it I'm having to wear my specs all the time now on TP

EDIT...actually just realised that the text is really small and blurry when you just post a reply, without quoting
On the list, but I'd like to recommend a great way to "fix" this one... Install Firefox Seriously, I will fix this for IE.

The current waves are just a proof of concept - I need to implement this properly, rather than just a hack.

...installed Firefox, and it is so much better. This new style is really beginning to grow on me now......I like it...it's all nice and clean and new for the spring....thumbs up from me

SoupDragon · Post by **SoupDragon** » 26 Mar 2007, 18:09

foxy wrote:
SoupDragon wrote:I would mind the texts when posting a reply being bigger
...you would?

Oops

Meant to say wouldn't

I wil rite out 10 tims I must lean to proof red post!

arachnid · Post by **arachnid** » 26 Mar 2007, 18:32

Well I decided to wait a few days before giving my opinion of the new format, and by doing so I've got used to it and come to the conclusion that it's lovely, bright and cheery!!!

It's also good to have the waves between each post ( a bit like the sea!

)

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » 26 Mar 2007, 19:50

I know it's just a small thing but I would still like to have the default date format changed to something more meaningful like 26Mar2007.

Epykat · Post by **Epykat** » 26 Mar 2007, 20:57

teddygirl wrote: the moaning minnies....:

I object to being called a moaning minnie

. If you think that's moaning, you should see me in moaning minnie action

. As has been said again and again, we really appreciate all the work that goes on behind the scenes but it doesn't mean we have to automatically like what comes out! Having things imposed on me without consultation is something I have had enough of in other areas of my life this week so maybe you've just got me at a bad time

. I promise I will try to like it. I promise I will try to like it. I promise I will try to like it. I promise I will try to like it. I .........