Bi-polar - manic-depressive disorder
Uni-polar - depressive disorder
Dear Gilo
Dear Porty,
I welcome other posters answering these questions. Together we can share our wisdom.
Was it an appropriate conversation for saturday lunchtime? I don't think there are any hard and fast rules. Something worth considering is your relationship to this person, were others present that felt excluded/ uncomfortable etc.
Depression and Manic depression is a hornet's nest of a debate. I am happy to put my twopence worth in if required.
I must say I find it horryfying to think EST is still used. It reminds me of Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over tthe Cuckoo's Nest. Also the fab book Regeneration at our very own Napier University.
There is a lovely book I've just read, "Why Love Matters" - How Affection Shapes The Baby's Brain, which I'd recommend if interested in this area or about to become a parent.
Yours Gilo
I welcome other posters answering these questions. Together we can share our wisdom.
Was it an appropriate conversation for saturday lunchtime? I don't think there are any hard and fast rules. Something worth considering is your relationship to this person, were others present that felt excluded/ uncomfortable etc.
Depression and Manic depression is a hornet's nest of a debate. I am happy to put my twopence worth in if required.
I must say I find it horryfying to think EST is still used. It reminds me of Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over tthe Cuckoo's Nest. Also the fab book Regeneration at our very own Napier University.
There is a lovely book I've just read, "Why Love Matters" - How Affection Shapes The Baby's Brain, which I'd recommend if interested in this area or about to become a parent.
Yours Gilo
Thank you Gilo.
It was only the second time I had met said person and others present were faimilar with the tale. The EST was administered some 18 years ago and the patient swears by its efficacy.
My interest in Bi-polarity has been heightened by the reacent Stephen Fry programme for the beeb. I feel I share many of the behaviour traits. Although i don't see it as a problem, is that a problem?
It was only the second time I had met said person and others present were faimilar with the tale. The EST was administered some 18 years ago and the patient swears by its efficacy.
My interest in Bi-polarity has been heightened by the reacent Stephen Fry programme for the beeb. I feel I share many of the behaviour traits. Although i don't see it as a problem, is that a problem?
My mates got bi-polar. He's on medication half the time so you can't tell really. Just has times when he's really happy and times when he's really hacked off - but that sounds like most of us I think.
I think EST is still used for severe bi polar and refractory depression but very rare as drugs used more now. Also the Jack Nicholson practice of electricute the bad boy has hopefully stopped.
I think EST is still used for severe bi polar and refractory depression but very rare as drugs used more now. Also the Jack Nicholson practice of electricute the bad boy has hopefully stopped.
Porty, it's great to hear that your mate benefited from EST. Unfortunately, I've heard stories to the contrary. I watched the first Steven Fry programme but missed the second. I thought it was very touching, though there did seem to be an absence of considering personal history. It felt like it was saying there is this big invisible finger randomly picking people out to have bi-polar. I know a lot of people subscribe to this, and I agree that there probably has to be pre-disposing conditions, but I'd always look to people's experiences too.
If you don't see it as a problem then it isn't one. It's a good illustration of how mentel health can be problematised. I am far from an expert in this, but my understanding is that people live with bi-polar much more successfully now, more is understood, and individuals can follow treatments to suit. A psychiatrist I was talking to also felt people could make full recovery. I think the danger, as with depression, is that an abnormally high number of suffers commit suicide as appose to the general population. Which to me just begins to illustrate the potential suffering involved.
If you don't see it as a problem then it isn't one. It's a good illustration of how mentel health can be problematised. I am far from an expert in this, but my understanding is that people live with bi-polar much more successfully now, more is understood, and individuals can follow treatments to suit. A psychiatrist I was talking to also felt people could make full recovery. I think the danger, as with depression, is that an abnormally high number of suffers commit suicide as appose to the general population. Which to me just begins to illustrate the potential suffering involved.
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Re: Dear GIlo
Don't worry, nova - I do. Bellydancer with a kick-ass attitude, c'est moi.Novastar wrote:
Are you trying to tell me people don't look like their avatars?
All I really need is love, but a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt!
-Lucy Van Pelt (in Peanuts, by Charles M. Schulz)
-Lucy Van Pelt (in Peanuts, by Charles M. Schulz)
Funny story:-foxy wrote:Gilo, you sound confused.
Recently back from the cinema. We went to see The Devil Wears Prada. It was time for the film previews and the new James Bond film comes on. I don't know whether you've seen it, but there's a bit where Daniel Craig comes out of the sea wearing tight fitting trunks. The music is pounding out to the action as they whip through the clips. I turn to DJ Ines and shout loudly to be heard over the cacophony of sound, but as I start my phrase the sound goes silent and I blurt out at the top of my voice "Check his muscles".
DJ Ines managed to get a stitch from laughter.By the way, the film was fab and the clothes were to die for!
outstandingGilo wrote: The music is pounding out to the action as they whip through the clips. I turn to DJ Ines and shout loudly to be heard over the cacophony of sound, but as I start my phrase the sound goes silent and I blurt out at the top of my voice "Check his muscles".
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Oh dear. It would have been worse if you'd said "Check his muscle" though.Sandra wrote:outstandingGilo wrote: The music is pounding out to the action as they whip through the clips. I turn to DJ Ines and shout loudly to be heard over the cacophony of sound, but as I start my phrase the sound goes silent and I blurt out at the top of my voice "Check his muscles".
JP.
Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, sir?
May I start by saying that I welcome your reflective tone. This could be the start of knowing a wonderful new life, your inner life, where the rewards are great and varied. It may be hard at times but hold on to your hat and start finding out about yourself, it's your route to greater happiness and wellbeing.Dadaist wrote:Maybe I have a suppressed memory of our budgie (when I was a kid) pecking my finger. Or maybe I felt short-changed and wanted a cat. Gilo?
So we seem to have something going on with budgies, ironing boards and Tesco Metro. Now at first sight your hatred of these things seems very rational and reasonable. After all, budgie's smell, ironing boards are badly designed and Tesco Metro is an unpleasant experience.
It is reaonable to have some negative feelings towards these things, but my concern is that the negative feeling appears disproportionate to the said item. I'd expect to see some minor irritation, however what we seem to see with here is an explosion of anger and irritation. Now I'd suggest that the above items didn't cause this anger, the cause lay elsewhere. Tesco, ironing and budgies simply trigger repressed anger. So we have to think what is this repressed anger all about. Some suggestions
- someone or some people have done things that have caused hurt/pain to you and you have not expressed your anger to them about this for whatever reason. Your anger has then been repressed
- anger was not expressed well in your family as you grew up, therefore you have never learnt to express it in healthy ways. Today you currently don't have the capacity to get angry appropriately and it comes out against ironing boards etc.
- your anger/frustration /irritation acts as defences to feeling deeper held troublesome feelings such as sadness and loneliness. There may well also be unintergrated difficult or traumatic experiences being masked.
What is apparent is that you are living with perpetual irritaion/aggititation. You need to begin to get a deeper understanding of these states and feel whatever pain they mask to start the healing process. You need to find ways in healthy expression of negative emotions to stop their repression.
Given this state, it's no surprise the air turns blue when you try to put up the ironing board, or reach for a pint of milk.
Consider a world where you are immersed in a sense of wellbeing. If the ironing board collapsed you'd laugh at its poor design. In Tesco Metro you'd lament the passing of proper shops. You'd simply think budgies are a bit rubbish.
This is attainable, all you need to do is start to take the first step.
Gilo
Gilo
You have not so much missed the boat as not been anywhere near the port on the date the boat left.
Just as Marya got hold of the wrong end of one of my posts, leading to me having to point out that it was satirical and meant the opposite of what it said (and I admit my mistake - I thought I'd left clues but they weren't sufficient) I didn't think that I would have to point out that I wasn't angry when I wrote any of my recent tirades with respect to Tesco Metro and Ironing Boards.
My only intention was *comedy*.
On another of my posts though, and this is where I can understand if I've given the wrong signals, I was beyond livid and that was "Boogie Beebies Israeli Airstrike Dance" where, I don't know how, but I managed to channel my frustrations into a bit of entertainment.
So - and you can maybe tell me how best to explain to POL readers which is which in the future - when it came to an incident of international importance where innocents were suffering, the issue came first and the jokey post second, whereas where Tesco Metro, Ironing Boards and budgerigars are concerned, a simple desire to write silly posts came first with those "issues" being the colour of ink in the pen at that time. I had thought that the difference between the gravity of the issues and hence the motivation for the posts was self-evident, but as I have learnt from misunderstanding of my approach to PPAG corruption, this isn't the case and I maybe need some sort of ratings system - maybe traffic lights or something?
You have not so much missed the boat as not been anywhere near the port on the date the boat left.
Just as Marya got hold of the wrong end of one of my posts, leading to me having to point out that it was satirical and meant the opposite of what it said (and I admit my mistake - I thought I'd left clues but they weren't sufficient) I didn't think that I would have to point out that I wasn't angry when I wrote any of my recent tirades with respect to Tesco Metro and Ironing Boards.
My only intention was *comedy*.
On another of my posts though, and this is where I can understand if I've given the wrong signals, I was beyond livid and that was "Boogie Beebies Israeli Airstrike Dance" where, I don't know how, but I managed to channel my frustrations into a bit of entertainment.
So - and you can maybe tell me how best to explain to POL readers which is which in the future - when it came to an incident of international importance where innocents were suffering, the issue came first and the jokey post second, whereas where Tesco Metro, Ironing Boards and budgerigars are concerned, a simple desire to write silly posts came first with those "issues" being the colour of ink in the pen at that time. I had thought that the difference between the gravity of the issues and hence the motivation for the posts was self-evident, but as I have learnt from misunderstanding of my approach to PPAG corruption, this isn't the case and I maybe need some sort of ratings system - maybe traffic lights or something?