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Post by seanie » 16 Jun 2006, 23:24

Owen will be lucky to start the next game. He's well off the pace. Crouch is worth a punt. He doesn't stop trying, causes problems at set pieces, and isn't totally deviod of skill. But he can trap a ball 20 yards and he's not an out and out goal-scorer.

Defoe is, but he's not in Germany. Walcott? He's never even played in the Premiership. He's a gamble.

Rooney is genuine class but he's not fully fit. And I'm not sure, at the World Cup, that he's good enough to take them through. At least not yet.

When Maradonna carried Argentina through in '86 he was astonishing. He controlled the game. Rooney is brilliant in flashes but can be played out of contention. Unless the players around him play close to their potential they'll struggle. Lennon's looked good. Gerrard and Lampard look ill-positioned. Beckham still has a beautiful cross and long pass but he was never overly-gifted with pace and even that's deserting him. He needs space to fully perform and requires a dominant team around him, stretching the opposition, to provide that.

And it's mistaken to think that the problem is down to the oppostion having "11 men behind the ball." Both Paraguay and T&T had chances and Paraguay in particular pushed England back. During the second half England drew deeper and deeper against what's generally considered inferior opposition. I'm not sure they did that by choice.

If England's poor performances are down to the tactics of their inferior oppostion it doesn't bode well for when they meet a team with comparable skills with tactical nouce to boot.

At least I hope so.

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Post by Dadaist » 17 Jun 2006, 07:20

"Devastated By U.S. World Cup Team's First-Round Loss, Nation Grinds To Halt"

this article brought to you by "The Onion" :

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49524

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Post by Dadaist » 17 Jun 2006, 20:31

USA vs Italy

Woof.

Italy score. Italy score again but in the wrong net. Italy now have man sent off for an elbow in the face of an American. Oops.

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Post by foxy » 17 Jun 2006, 20:35

Dadaist wrote:USA vs Italy

Woof.

Italy score. Italy score again but in the wrong net. Italy now have man sent off for an elbow in the face of an American. Oops.
All this footy entertainment for you boys and some luvverly Totti for us girls :love10:

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Post by Dadaist » 17 Jun 2006, 20:44

Not any more - he got substituted at 35 mins. He already had a booking.

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Post by Poppy » 17 Jun 2006, 20:55

Dadaist wrote:He already had a booking
With whom? Foxy?? :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Post by foxy » 17 Jun 2006, 21:11

Dadaist wrote:Not any more - he got substituted at 35 mins. He already had a booking.
Bad referee :cry:

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Post by foxy » 17 Jun 2006, 21:12

Poppy wrote:
Dadaist wrote:He already had a booking
With whom? Foxy?? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Thank you Cilla...work your magic :D

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Post by Dadaist » 17 Jun 2006, 21:14

Yanqui now have had 2 red cards.

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Post by foxy » 17 Jun 2006, 21:17

Dadaist wrote:Yanqui now have had 2 red cards.
Maybe they should start singing the card spangled banner :twisted:

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Post by Dadaist » 17 Jun 2006, 21:25

A bit like that bit at the start of a Grand Prix where everyone crashes - this game has been watchable for all the wrong reasons.

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Post by Dadaist » 18 Jun 2006, 07:45

Harsh match analysis of Italy vs USA from the Times :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 36,00.html

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Post by ali » 18 Jun 2006, 08:41

Dadaist wrote:Harsh match analysis of Italy vs USA from the Times :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 36,00.html
too harsh in my opinion - there was nothing last night that doesn't happen up and down the land week after week. take away the eddie pope dismissal and it was fodder stuff.

disappointing in a showcase tournament - but I agree the USA did allow themselves to be suckered in.
the italians started cynically and the yankees were not going to be outdone.

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Post by Dadaist » 18 Jun 2006, 08:47

It's a shame they'll go in a way, because watching Keller's saves was fun.

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Post by PortyConvert » 18 Jun 2006, 16:51

Dadaist wrote:Harsh match analysis of Italy vs USA from the Times :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 36,00.html
Very harsh yes - i didn't think it was really as bad as the red cards suggested - although the elbow was a disgrace - 100% intended.

The article is also inaccurate i think:
The match was to finish with just nine men on either side. Simone Perrotta was stretchered off after being caught by the boot of Carlos Bocanegra, and there were no substitutes left to take the field. Ugliness had finished the contest that neither side deserved to win.
Perrotta played on i think .. he was limping most of the time, but i'm sure he didn't have to leave the field for the rest of the game....

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Post by Dadaist » 18 Jun 2006, 18:58

I don't think my nerves can take much more Fantasy League.

Our office league is cut-throat to the extreme - and I've played enough fantasy league before.

The way the Metro's (excellent) system works lets you pick up to 2 players from each nation - meaning that, for example, today I had Roberto Carlos (Brazilian defender) but my immediate competitors had yer Ronald(o/inho) etc - so not for the first time I was wanting either :

1. the match to be goal-less
2. if brazil were to score it not to be a player in one of my competitors teams and also include an assist from one of my players

...which is too much stress to add on.

This must be what it's like to be a football fan.

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Post by Dadaist » 20 Jun 2006, 20:17

FOR SALE - England strip. No 10 - "Owen". Hardly worn so sold as new. £5 o.n.o.

Please phone Sven on 0044789 456123 - if I'm not in just leave a message with Nancy.

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Post by foxy » 20 Jun 2006, 21:21

Dadaist wrote:FOR SALE - England strip. No 10 - "Owen". Hardly worn so sold as new. £5 o.n.o.

Please phone Sven on 0044789 456123 - if I'm not in just leave a message with Nancy.
One careful English owener? :shock:

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Post by Mate of Marya » 20 Jun 2006, 21:30

Are you taking the Michael? :lol:

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Post by Dadaist » 20 Jun 2006, 22:02

I'm just gutted cos in my Metro fantasy league team I dropped Gerrard (who was being rested) and put in star striker Owen.

This meant that Owen got a sore knee, and Gerrard came back on and scored.

Harrumph.

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Post by bellybabe » 20 Jun 2006, 22:17

Really hoped England wouldn't end up playing Ecuador. Oh well.

My brother, normally a very laid back kind of guy, is very easily wound up when it comes to football. All you need to say is "But if England play Ecuador, I won't know who to support...." and wait for the yelling. He has a big key sticking out of his back that he gets fitted specially for World Cup.
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Post by ali » 20 Jun 2006, 22:21

The more I see of them the less I understand those predictions about them lifting the Cup.

Its so far from reality that it reminds me of the mass delusion that Scotland suffered from in Argentina 1978. Can anyone really see them competing with Argentina or Brazil?? Hubris in extremis.

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Post by Dadaist » 21 Jun 2006, 11:11

I think the Ecuador fans should all wave crutches at Sven during the game.

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Post by Porty » 21 Jun 2006, 12:30

ali wrote:The more I see of them the less I understand those predictions about them lifting the Cup.

Its so far from reality that it reminds me of the mass delusion that Scotland suffered from in Argentina 1978. Can anyone really see them competing with Argentina or Brazil?? Hubris in extremis.
I want England to do well, as I've previously said. However, like Ali I fear they are delusional. Played 3 drawn 1, won one on an own goal and the other against some minnows. It reminds me of Euro 96 where they got to the semi and were apparently robbed, which is how Motson et al remember it. From memory they only won two games by actually beating the opposition. The other two games were won on penalties. The two teams they beat were the worst ranked and the second worst ranked teams in the tournament (Scotland and Holland) who both got through in play offs.

So basically, they were playing at home and only managed to defeat the two worst teams in the tourney. :roll: :roll:

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Post by Pal of Porty » 21 Jun 2006, 12:38

I agree - England's chances of winning cup are not looking too good. Taking two crocked strikers and an untried teenager looking an even bigger risk now - and without Ferdinand they leak goals.

Still I hope they can turn it around a bit. Even playing not so good they have got further than Scotland ever have. :cry:
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Post by bellybabe » 21 Jun 2006, 13:06

Owen mght be out for five months. What on earth was Sven thinking? :roll:
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Post by ali » 21 Jun 2006, 13:13

Pal of Porty wrote:................... Even playing not so good they have got further than Scotland ever have. :cry:
Well I should hope so too given their population is ten times what ours is!!!

Plus look at the resources ploughed in by the FA versus what the SFA has to hand. The Premiership is a big fat cash cow for them.

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Post by Dadaist » 21 Jun 2006, 15:06

Portugal and Mexico has kicked off.

Petit has got a start for Portugal - looking forward to a couple of points from this dude.

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Post by gilo » 21 Jun 2006, 15:52

ali wrote:[Well I should hope so too given their population is ten times what ours is!!!
I don't think this arguement helps the Scottish cause,
Togo - 5m
Costa Rica - 4m
Croatia - 4.5m
Portugal - 9.9m
T&T - 1.3m
Switzerland - 7.7m
Paraguay - 5.8m
Serbia 10.5m
Czech Republic 10m
they all made it!

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Post by Porty » 21 Jun 2006, 16:14

Gilo wrote:
ali wrote:[Well I should hope so too given their population is ten times what ours is!!!
I don't think this arguement helps the Scottish cause,
Togo - 5m
Costa Rica - 4m
Croatia - 4.5m
Portugal - 9.9m
T&T - 1.3m
Switzerland - 7.7m
Paraguay - 5.8m
Serbia 10.5m
Czech Republic 10m
they all made it!
Shut up!! :wink:

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Post by Dadaist » 21 Jun 2006, 16:19

I saw that list and thought it was the amounts paid in bribes to FIFA - silly me, it was population stats!

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Post by Epykat » 21 Jun 2006, 20:06

It's seriously hacking me off now........ :x
Enough of your nonsense - get back to the Play Pen!

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Post by ali » 21 Jun 2006, 22:53

Gilo wrote:
ali wrote:[Well I should hope so too given their population is ten times what ours is!!!
I don't think this arguement helps the Scottish cause,
Togo - 5m
Costa Rica - 4m
Croatia - 4.5m
Portugal - 9.9m
T&T - 1.3m
Switzerland - 7.7m
Paraguay - 5.8m
Serbia 10.5m
Czech Republic 10m
they all made it!
Yeah I know, I know - I'd only just posted when I thought of the All Blacks - selected from a population of 3 million New Zealanders. :oops: :?

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Post by ali » 21 Jun 2006, 22:54

Epykat wrote:It's seriously hacking me off now........ :x
What is.....??

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Post by seanie » 21 Jun 2006, 22:57

Ah but the World Cup is never quite the same without us.

It always lacks that special comedy moment...

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