McCrow's school posting has reminded me, by way of prefecture, of this exciting development in local-conglomerate relations.
The last meeting we heard of Brain's new organism was in June.
Since then, there must have been several more meetings and a volume or detailed correspondence.
Brian, can you make this public please - I will be happy to help building a web resource to enable us to access this information quickly as once one has built up an organism of the complexity that yours must have, proper data management is essential.
Punch Taverns - meeting with management
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maureen mclaughlin
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I'd also like to know how are relations?
From my perspective there is an uneasy truce with the Tides Inn.
A few months prior to the license hearing in October a Punch pub's lawyer came out of the woodwork and met with the environmental health noise abatement team. I was advised that the lawyer fully acknowledged that in terms of noise disturbance, the environmental health out of hour's team, had established more than enough evidence to prove that the licensee was breaching the conditions of her licence. With agreement of fellow neighbours and myself a second sound level test was carried out. This time with a music system that displays an amber light when the music is about to exceed the designated level. Should the level be exceeded, then the music cuts off.
There certainly has been an improvement, although there still are occasions when I have had to call out environmental health.
At my most recent request, the visiting worker advised that as he was make his way to my stair a man came out of the pub and proceeded to urinate against a car, making no to attempt to hide, then having emptying his bladder he then returned to the pub. Nice!!
Over the summer months, the licensee's partner would stand at the pub entrance, where he would looked me up and down then stare at me, as I make my way to my entrance. There was also an occasion where I (as always did) eye balled him back. He then met my response by uttering an offensive and childish remark. I assume in a feeble attempt to belittle and bully me.
It's a shame he did this, as I was happy in my delusion that his unwanted attention was obviously due to my out standing beauty.
However, back to reality.
This intimidation has and will not worked. Further more it has just confirmed my belief that Punch pubs do not have the communities best interest at heart.
Profit, Profit, Profit, at any cost is all Punch pub is interested in.
As for the prefects I never expected any thing from them and was not disappointed.
The truth of the matter is I stood up for our rights (which are very much weighed in favour of the licence, in relation to noise) and I did this on my own and despite the crap being flung at me.
Mo
From my perspective there is an uneasy truce with the Tides Inn.
A few months prior to the license hearing in October a Punch pub's lawyer came out of the woodwork and met with the environmental health noise abatement team. I was advised that the lawyer fully acknowledged that in terms of noise disturbance, the environmental health out of hour's team, had established more than enough evidence to prove that the licensee was breaching the conditions of her licence. With agreement of fellow neighbours and myself a second sound level test was carried out. This time with a music system that displays an amber light when the music is about to exceed the designated level. Should the level be exceeded, then the music cuts off.
There certainly has been an improvement, although there still are occasions when I have had to call out environmental health.
At my most recent request, the visiting worker advised that as he was make his way to my stair a man came out of the pub and proceeded to urinate against a car, making no to attempt to hide, then having emptying his bladder he then returned to the pub. Nice!!
Over the summer months, the licensee's partner would stand at the pub entrance, where he would looked me up and down then stare at me, as I make my way to my entrance. There was also an occasion where I (as always did) eye balled him back. He then met my response by uttering an offensive and childish remark. I assume in a feeble attempt to belittle and bully me.
It's a shame he did this, as I was happy in my delusion that his unwanted attention was obviously due to my out standing beauty.
However, back to reality.
This intimidation has and will not worked. Further more it has just confirmed my belief that Punch pubs do not have the communities best interest at heart.
Profit, Profit, Profit, at any cost is all Punch pub is interested in.
As for the prefects I never expected any thing from them and was not disappointed.
The truth of the matter is I stood up for our rights (which are very much weighed in favour of the licence, in relation to noise) and I did this on my own and despite the crap being flung at me.
Mo
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Jackson Priest
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The incident happened earlier this year (pre-McCrow I think)and the FW shut shortly afterwards. There is a thread dedicated to it on here somewhere, DG? or someone witnessed the police turning up. A guy got glassed, a guy got stabbed etc.
It so happened that the BBC had a crew following incidents that day and so Portobello was showcased. An officer commented that this type of incident would normally be expected to happen on a weekend or after/during a major football match. "But 6 o'clock on a wednesday night?"
The staff tried to wipe up as much of the evidence as possible prior to the arrival of the forensic team. However, it proved unneccessary as the CCTV footage was damning and gruesome.
It so happened that the BBC had a crew following incidents that day and so Portobello was showcased. An officer commented that this type of incident would normally be expected to happen on a weekend or after/during a major football match. "But 6 o'clock on a wednesday night?"
The staff tried to wipe up as much of the evidence as possible prior to the arrival of the forensic team. However, it proved unneccessary as the CCTV footage was damning and gruesome.
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Thread is THIS one - had not known it was so bad that day.
For some reason 'Scenes of Crime' not on Teleport which is a pain.
For some reason 'Scenes of Crime' not on Teleport which is a pain.
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Jackson Priest
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There was a forensic guy called Graham Bowie, I wondered if he was one of the Bowie twins that went to Porty. Didn't look like one but time has marched on.Bob Jefferson wrote:Sorry I missed this as I know some of the people involved - on the forensic side I hasten to add. Hopefully someone has a copy.
Can we also have a report from Brian please?Dadaist wrote:McCrow's school posting has reminded me, by way of prefecture, of this exciting development in local-conglomerate relations.
The last meeting we heard of Brain's new organism was in June.
Since then, there must have been several more meetings and a volume or detailed correspondence.
Brian, can you make this public please - I will be happy to help building a web resource to enable us to access this information quickly as once one has built up an organism of the complexity that yours must have, proper data management is essential.
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maureen mclaughlin
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How are things at the Tides Inn.
Sandra, things are a thousand times better. Unless the flat is directly above the pub, your friend should not be bothered. However things are always quite in the winter months. It's the summer months that are the nosiest. Between the two pubs at the bottom of king's Road and the ever-increasing tribe of jet skiers. However that said, it is a nice place to live.
Mo
Mo
The Glasser was the man who was killed at Piershill Bus-Stop...Porty wrote:It was interesting to hear that the "glasser" is now dead in an unrelated incident. Do you think the prefects had him taken out?
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Slightly off the main topic - but does anyone know who is responsible for 'The First and Last' on Seafield Road East ? This is also a place where some members of the clientele have little respect for the residents at closing time ( which can be fairly late , and on one occasion, was a ' lock in' that resulted in drunken guys falling about, shouting and swearing, fighting, bashing into ground floor windows and eventually setting a huge wheelie bin on fire. When I 'phoned the fire brigade, I was diverted to Inverness.. but that's another story !!) Shouldn't the publicans be taken to task when this happens? I realise there are some absolutely fine folk who frequent the place, too, but when things like this happen, it fairly colours your view!
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kings roader
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When was this ? I am a regular at the First & Last and can't recall this incident in the recent past. I remember that the "wheelie bin" outside the post office/paper shop on Seafield Rd East, was set on fire arond 3 years ago, BUT, it was by a crowd that had come UP from the bottom of Kings Road.
Every PUBLIC house has members of the PUBLIC inside. Some are more welcome than others and those who are undesirable in the F & L are certainly removed quickly.
I think that the current owners took over around 3 years ago and they have a good community pub going there with a good bunch of regulars
Every PUBLIC house has members of the PUBLIC inside. Some are more welcome than others and those who are undesirable in the F & L are certainly removed quickly.
I think that the current owners took over around 3 years ago and they have a good community pub going there with a good bunch of regulars
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kings roader
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[/quote]There was a forensic guy called Graham Bowie, I wondered if he was one of the Bowie twins that went to Porty. Didn't look like one but time has marched on.
It was one of the Bowie twins. He was in the police but then moved to be a SOCO officer. One of the few SOCO's who are also a serving police officer - most are civilians
Hi, Kings Roader!
I think the wheelie bin incident was a bit more recent than 3 years. I was told the culprits had been at a football team presentation at the F & L, there had been a lock - in, and things had got out of hand when they left.. This could be wrong, I suppose!
I used to frequent the pub myself before I became a mum ( don't get out much at night now ! ) so know there are a lot of good and friendly regulars there, as I said in my post. However, it IS really unpleasant and downright scary when these incidents happen and that's why I wanted to bring it up . I know the behaviour of ' undesirables' isn't the pub's responsibility after they have left, but thought it was up to the pub not to keep serving someone when they've obviously had a bucketful? It's not very nice having to clean the 'debris' from the stair, either, the morning after !
I think the wheelie bin incident was a bit more recent than 3 years. I was told the culprits had been at a football team presentation at the F & L, there had been a lock - in, and things had got out of hand when they left.. This could be wrong, I suppose!
I used to frequent the pub myself before I became a mum ( don't get out much at night now ! ) so know there are a lot of good and friendly regulars there, as I said in my post. However, it IS really unpleasant and downright scary when these incidents happen and that's why I wanted to bring it up . I know the behaviour of ' undesirables' isn't the pub's responsibility after they have left, but thought it was up to the pub not to keep serving someone when they've obviously had a bucketful? It's not very nice having to clean the 'debris' from the stair, either, the morning after !
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kings roader
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Promqueen
You are right that these incidents are unpleasant, but I am sure you will agree that any type of unsavoury incident is few and far between in the F & L. As pubs go my opinion is that it is well managed by the current owners. Of course, there will be some noise when several dozen people leave at the same time at the end of the night after a few refreshments, but all in all I don't think there are to many problems
You are right that these incidents are unpleasant, but I am sure you will agree that any type of unsavoury incident is few and far between in the F & L. As pubs go my opinion is that it is well managed by the current owners. Of course, there will be some noise when several dozen people leave at the same time at the end of the night after a few refreshments, but all in all I don't think there are to many problems
Re: Punch Taverns - meeting with management
BrianBrian McCrow wrote:Rather than slag off the Punch Taverns management on the Forum
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I hope this will be the beginning of an on-going dialogue with Punch Taverns management.
You have ignored any number of requests of mine to feed back to us your ongoing dialogue with Punch Taverns management. Your original post on this issue was made in May 2005. It's now February of 2006 and the silence is deafening.
Your current spate of activity here (where you think we should not "slag off" companies or organizations) concerns your perception that schemes like PPP and bodies like the City of Edinburgh Council should be managed properly.
I therefore invite you to rate your progress in managing our dialogue with Punch Taverns, using the same criteria you apply to the schemes and bodies which you have seen fit to either support in theory or criticize in practise.
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Brian McCrow
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Dadaist
We agreed with Punch Management that we would meet on an as required basis.
We haven't yet seen the need to meet.
The best way to support these Enterprises is to use their services i.e. pubs in their case. It was disappointing that Utopia Beach didn't get enough local custom to stay open.
In any case I'll be leaving Portobello in a few months so someone else would have to pick up this task. Volunteers would be appreciated.
We agreed with Punch Management that we would meet on an as required basis.
We haven't yet seen the need to meet.
The best way to support these Enterprises is to use their services i.e. pubs in their case. It was disappointing that Utopia Beach didn't get enough local custom to stay open.
In any case I'll be leaving Portobello in a few months so someone else would have to pick up this task. Volunteers would be appreciated.
Urm, places will get custom if they deserve it - if their product is any good. Nobody has any obligation to drink at a pub simply because it's there... Viva capitalism.Brian McCrow wrote:The best way to support these Enterprises is to use their services i.e. pubs in their case. It was disappointing that Utopia Beach didn't get enough local custom to stay open.
I think after the initial start period that Utopia was as busy as the previous pub (Pier) had been. However due to increased rent etc this level of custom was not viable.
Had the pub been more welcoming (as in not completely smoke filled) and done food as originally planned it might have faired better. Well, I certainly would have went more.
I went in their a few times as the Pier and Utopia and found the Utopia much nicer than the old days. Little smoke compared to other Porty pubs (not that that bothers me), nice seating and a good pint.wangi wrote:Urm, places will get custom if they deserve it - if their product is any good. Nobody has any obligation to drink at a pub simply because it's there... Viva capitalism.Brian McCrow wrote:The best way to support these Enterprises is to use their services i.e. pubs in their case. It was disappointing that Utopia Beach didn't get enough local custom to stay open.
I think after the initial start period that Utopia was as busy as the previous pub (Pier) had been. However due to increased rent etc this level of custom was not viable.
Had the pub been more welcoming (as in not completely smoke filled) and done food as originally planned it might have faired better. Well, I certainly would have went more.
They also did do food - and it was very nice (and I'm not just saying that because I know the ex chef ). Highly recommend his bread and butter pudding...
The only reason I didn't go there more often and the reason I know of it having lack of custom was because there always seemed to be nutcases there wanting to start a fight. Of the 3 times I went into the Utopia after 9 o'clock, there were fights twice. Also understood one of the barmaids got beaten up and several other people I've spoken to (including Zarg) say there's been problems when they went in.
