I marched against both of these riduculous and disgusting conflicts. I don't care if it was pointless, at the time I couldn't not do it.
We lost, and the invasions went ahead anyway. Etc, etc.
There have been two things announced today/recently - the first is a demonstrator against the Mohammed cartoons being put away for 6 years for inciting murder by saying that UK troops should come back "in body bags" - the other an announcement that we will need to be in Afghanistan for "decades". This, to my mind, equates a desire for Taleban bodybags.
So - if I say I want to see UK troops in bodybags I'm inciting murder. But if I say I want to see Taleban in body bags it's an announcement.
I can remember when the tv news referred to the Taliban as "students" - whereas now it's acceptable to define them as terrorists.
How can we say that our law is impartial if the government of the day gets to define who or what constitutes an "enemy" ?
If this guy that was put away for "incitement to murder" really is guilty, then shouldn't our elected leaders also be similarly accountable for their statements?
Iraq & Afghanistan
It was the Brit ambassador I think the quote originated from but I might be wrong. Yeah I guess you could say it was a statement of fact, saying that in order to get stability you'll have to stay for decades may well be true - but as well as stating fact, to my mind it implies Taliban body bags.
The other guy - the incitement guy - had a banner at the Mohammed cartoons demo. I guess you'd say it wasn't a fact but a desire that he wanted UK troops to come back in body bags.
Maybe he should have said "we are going to have to fight the Infidel for decades in order to re-Talibanise Afghanistan" - do you think that would have been a statement of fact?
Heh. Trust a diplomat to get his language right!
The other guy - the incitement guy - had a banner at the Mohammed cartoons demo. I guess you'd say it wasn't a fact but a desire that he wanted UK troops to come back in body bags.
Maybe he should have said "we are going to have to fight the Infidel for decades in order to re-Talibanise Afghanistan" - do you think that would have been a statement of fact?
Heh. Trust a diplomat to get his language right!
Yes I do and I believe the fellow should be allowed to say so without fear of imprisonment here in the UK. Are you sure that promoting taliban resistance n Afghanistan was the crime in question?Dadaist wrote:I
Maybe he should have said "we are going to have to fight the Infidel for decades in order to re-Talibanise Afghanistan" - do you think that would have been a statement of fact?
F*** them. They deserve what they got.BBC wrote:Four men have been jailed for their part in protests outside the Danish embassy in London, against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.
Mizanur Rahman, 24, Umran Javed, 27, and Abdul Muhid, 24, were each jailed for six years for soliciting to murder after telling a crowd to bomb the UK.
A fourth man, Abdul Saleem, 32, was jailed for four years for stirring up racial hatred at the protest in 2006.
The men, from London and Birmingham, were convicted at the Old Bailey.
Judge Brian Barker said their words had been designed to encourage murder and terrorism.
About 300 protestors marched outside the Danish embassy in February last year after cartoons satirising Muhammad were published in newspapers in Denmark and other European countries
Outside the sentencing hearing, a group of around 40 demonstrators waved placards with slogans including "Muslims Under Siege".
'Blood running'
Rahman, from Palmers Green, north London, was filmed at the rally talking over a loudspeaker and calling for UK soldiers to be brought back from Iraq in body bags.
He said: "We want to see their blood running in the streets of Baghdad.
"We want to see the Mujahideen shoot down their planes the way we shoot down birds. We want to see their tanks burn in the way we burn their flags."
Javed, from Birmingham, was filmed by police shouting: "Bomb, bomb Denmark. Bomb, bomb USA."
Father-of-five and BT engineer Saleem was cleared of soliciting murder at his trial in February, but convicted of stirring up racial hatred.
Saleem, from Poplar, east London, chanted, "7/7 on its way" and "Europe, you will pay with your blood". Finally, Abdul Muhid, 24, said to be the leader of the demonstration, chanted "Bomb, bomb the UK" and waved placards with slogans such as "Annihilate those who insult Islam".
The men had denied having extremist views and said they were simply following others rather than leading the protests.
'Stepped over line'
After the case, Ch Supt Ian Thomas, of the Metropolitan Police, said: "We have a long history of facilitating lawful demonstration, taking into account freedom of speech.
"However, these people stepped over that line and broke the law."
The Director of Public Prosecutions, Sir Ken Macdonald, said: "Terrorism attacks our way of life and incitement can make a very real contribution to it.
"We shall continue to take incitement very seriously and prosecute it robustly where there is enough evidence for us to do so."