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Marguerite-the-Poet
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Post by Marguerite-the-Poet » 22 Sep 2006, 20:49

Dadaist wrote:
Bob Jefferson wrote:I think that's a fair assessment. Let's concentrate on PHS for a moment

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Opposing the school on Portobello Park is opposing the re-build of PHS, it's as simple as that. The funding is a red herring
It's not as simple as that.

You've followed up saying that a statement you agree with is "fair" (without really saying why) with an unfair assessment of your own.

Next, you narrow the agenda to being PHS. This is interesting, because whereas before you may well have been saying that people who *didn't* come up with a funding solution were therefore enemies of education, now it suddenly doesn't matter!

Why is it interesting? Because it simply doesn't follow that someone who opposes building on Portobello Park is suddenly an enemy of education.

George Bush and his cronies are fond of making statements like "if you aren't with us, you're with the terrorists" - meaning that either the Bushies are talking rubbish, or the world is populated by billions of terrorists.

Similarly, people who oppose building on Portobello Park should be allowed to simply oppose building on Portobello Park without being forced to come up with locations, funding packages - (or whatever this week's hoop PFANS have decided to create for anyone who dares oppose whatever their plan is this week) to jump through.

You've made similar demands of your opponents before, when you said that they should (insert hoop to be jumped through) or "accept the label of nimbyism".

Once this matter is complete - and it may be a long while - there will be a proportion of the community who are unhappy with whatever the final outcome was.

At that time, your erstwhile opponents may well have memories which serve to remind them of the plethora of labels you heaped upon them - and they'll know that they were never nimbys nor education haters - just people who didn't want their park built on.
Hello Dadaist :)

Let's concentrate on this for a moment Dadaist even if it is totally off topic. You mentioned, "George Bush and his cronies are fond of making statements like "if you aren't with us, you're with the terrorists" - meaning that either the Bushies are talking rubbish, or the world is populated by billions of terrorists." Do you have a url that will support the above quote which you state 'George Bush and his cronies are fond of making'.

It seems someone complained about you. It wasn't me. There should be a hospitality sign posted for newcomers that don't reside in Scotland or the UK. You don't wish to kill off American tourists or future Portobello residents do you? :D

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Post by ali » 22 Sep 2006, 23:39

not quite sure what you're getting at in your last paragraph, marguerite.

anyway, if you have any doubts about whether Bush is responsible for the stupid, irresponsible quote above then check this out.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/g ... on.terror/

It took me about 20 seconds on google.

If you were unaware that he said this then I suppose it speaks volumes for the complicity of the American media in keeping the american people in the dark about the reality of the Bush/Blair "war on terror".

Very sad.

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Post by Marguerite-the-Poet » 23 Sep 2006, 01:13

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Post by Marguerite-the-Poet » 23 Sep 2006, 02:44

ali wrote:not quite sure what you're getting at in your last paragraph, marguerite.

anyway, if you have any doubts about whether Bush is responsible for the stupid, irresponsible quote above then check this out.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/g ... on.terror/

It took me about 20 seconds on google.

If you were unaware that he said this then I suppose it speaks volumes for the complicity of the American media in keeping the american people in the dark about the reality of the Bush/Blair "war on terror".

Very sad.
Ali are you Dadaist/Surrealist? If not then it is poor manners to answer a question that is addressed to someone else. I appreciate a response from him not you. You have provided me this url :

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/g ... on.terror/

The article was written November 6, 2001 by CNN.com 'You are either with us or against us' implies Bush remarked within this content, '"A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform," Bush said. "That means different things for different nations. Some nations don't want to contribute troops and we understand that. Other nations can contribute intelligence-sharing. ... But all nations, if they want to fight terror, must do something."

"Bush said he would not point out any specific countries in his speech.

"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." (Full story)"'
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Let's review the 'Full story' on CNN.com. The article 'Bush says it is time for action' is dated November 6, 2001. Please keep in mind that September 11, 2001 was when terriorists killed thousands of people in America on land and in the air! :evil: (Did it occur to either of you that people from other countries were on one of those four airplanes? Two hit the Twin Towers and another the Pentagon :!: THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIED and thousands of people suffered as a result of insane terrorists. It is because of this herific action against mankind those terrorists (men) that we today are still experiencing and reliving the grief they caused the world. :!: Only a naive child would think otherwise. I am not a child but a woman.

The article clearly says that Bush was preparing to talk to the United Nations after 9/11. An excerpt from the article:

""A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy; a coalition partner must perform," Bush said. "That means different things for different nations. Some nations don't want to contribute troops and we understand that. Other nations can contribute intelligence sharing. ... But all nations, if they want to fight terror, must do something."
[Marguerite the Poet agrees 100 percent with Bush.]

"Bush said he would not point out any specific countries when he speaks to the UN.

"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." [Marguerite the Poet agrees 100 percent with Bush.]

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/r ... index.html

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Ali, Dadaist stated, "George Bush and his cronies are fond of making statements like "if you aren't with us, you're with the terrorists" - meaning that either the Bushies are talking rubbish, or the world is populated by billions of terrorists."

Again, I ask you and Dadaist for a url that will support the above quote which Dadaist stated 'George Bush and his cronies are fond of making'.

Ali, it is very sad that you can't comprehend the difference between what Bush stated and what Dadaist wrote which was a misquote and a bit of cherry picking :evil:

Again I repeat, I'm distressed by the fact that I was invited by Dadaist/Surrealist to join RFP and as another member has written to me, he has been rude to me on POL. Please be considerate and exhibit good manners to an invited American guest. :wink: I do wish you both would spend your time more wisely on music. Consider pleasing your listening and viewing audience rather than building up hateful or unkind remarks.

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Post by ali » 23 Sep 2006, 13:50

Marguerite-the-Poet wrote:
Ali are you Dadaist/Surrealist? If not then it is poor manners to answer a question that is addressed to someone else. I appreciate a response from him not you.
I'm not Dadaist and it's extremely poor manners to accuse someone of having poor manners for replying to a thread on a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation with Dadaist then use the Private Messaging system.



Marguerite-the-Poet wrote:
You have provided me this url :

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/g ... on.terror/

The article was written November 6, 2001 by CNN.com 'You are either with us or against us' implies Bush remarked within this content, '"A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform," Bush said. "That means different things for different nations. Some nations don't want to contribute troops and we understand that. Other nations can contribute intelligence-sharing. ... But all nations, if they want to fight terror, must do something."

"Bush said he would not point out any specific countries in his speech.

"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." (Full story)"'
###

Let's review the 'Full story' on CNN.com. The article 'Bush says it is time for action' is dated November 6, 2001. Please keep in mind that September 11, 2001 was when terriorists killed thousands of people in America on land and in the air! :evil: (Did it occur to either of you that people from other countries were on one of those four airplanes? Two hit the Twin Towers and another the Pentagon :!: THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIED and thousands of people suffered as a result of insane terrorists. It is because of this herific action against mankind those terrorists (men) that we today are still experiencing and reliving the grief they caused the world. :!: Only a naive child would think otherwise. I am not a child but a woman.

The article clearly says that Bush was preparing to talk to the United Nations after 9/11. An excerpt from the article:

""A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy; a coalition partner must perform," Bush said. "That means different things for different nations. Some nations don't want to contribute troops and we understand that. Other nations can contribute intelligence sharing. ... But all nations, if they want to fight terror, must do something."
[Marguerite the Poet agrees 100 percent with Bush.]

"Bush said he would not point out any specific countries when he speaks to the UN.

"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." [Marguerite the Poet agrees 100 percent with Bush.]

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/r ... index.html
The article stands for itself.

The world and the problem of terrorism can't simply be reduced to black and white. "you're with us or you're against us" is just too simple. The world is a little more complicated than that.
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Ali, it is very sad that you can't comprehend the difference between what Bush stated and what Dadaist wrote which was a misquote and a bit of cherry picking :evil:
I don't see the difference and and I agree with Dadaist's interpretation of it.

Again I repeat, I'm distressed by the fact that I was invited by Dadaist/Surrealist to join RFP and as another member has written to me, he has been rude to me on POL. Please be considerate and exhibit good manners to an invited American guest. :wink: I do wish you both would spend your time more wisely on music. Consider pleasing your listening and viewing audience rather than building up hateful or unkind remarks.
Again, I'm still not sure what your problem is. I don't know that "invited" guests are afforded extra special privileges round here.
If you want people to respect what you have to say then perhaps you should express yourself a little more plainly and directly. Your florid style of writing may be clouding people's understanding of what it is you're trying to say. Maybe its a cultural thing. Just my tuppence worth. 8)
peace
ali


PS If you're going to try and defend Bush you'll have to do better than that.

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Post by Maria » 23 Sep 2006, 14:09

I do hope no Americans will be put off visiting Portobello Marguerite. I was out with two American (they're from Portland, Oregan) friends last night and I know they love Portobello, especially our Ceilidhs in the Town Hall. Rest assured you will get a warm welcome if you ever visit :D

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Post by ali » 23 Sep 2006, 17:25

Marya wrote:I do hope no Americans will be put off visiting Portobello Marguerite. I was out with two American (they're from Portland, Oregan) friends last night and I know they love Portobello, especially our Ceilidhs in the Town Hall. Rest assured you will get a warm welcome if you ever visit :D
that goes for me too. :roll:

some of my best friends..........blah blah blah

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Post by Maria » 23 Sep 2006, 17:28

See Marguerite. He's charming really :lol:

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Post by Poppy » 23 Sep 2006, 18:28

Marya wrote:See Marguerite. He's charming really :lol:
Ha! That's all: Ha!!! :twisted:

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