Talk Porty ~ Portobello

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If, and its a big if, there is a problem accommodating violent and or repeat crimunals that are a danger to society. And it means freeing up prison spaces. There are many lesser criminals who have served a higher proportion of their sentences, well behaved and without trying or succeeding to escape...

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The reason that I think that he should be released- not set free, is that he is not a danger to society. Prison should be used as a place where dangerous people are placed to protect society after they have committed a crime. I have said countless times before that Biggs could be released under bail...

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[He was jailed for life and that means no getting out before you die, which is what Life should mean. That's what 'life' should mean, however, in this day and time it doesn't, and as i've said before, there are hundreds of other criminals walking about that the community would be better off protect...

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All of this may be irrelevant as yesterday, the independant company who are testing the ground at Portobello Park, found it difficult to say that a school could be built on the ground that they were drilling on. They've basically hit clay which isn't good enough for a foundation of a school. This wi...

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It's sad that he's passed away as he was a great artist and entertainer. I believe that he was 'not guilty' of the offences liablled at him as have the Courts (Judge Porty may have another opinion though :wink: ) What has really got my goat though, since his death, politicians have jumped on the ban...

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How would you feel if someone you knew was raped or murdered by someone out on bail or on license? You presume i don't know such a person. If you did know someone like this, then surely you would have rather the offender was locked up instead of someone like Biggs? Biggs is just a high profile exam...

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seanie wrote:The Early Release Scheme designed to ease overcrowding only releases people 18 days earlier than they would be automatically. And the scheme doesn't apply to anyone on the sex offenders register or murderers.

Murderers and Sex Offenders are allowed out with bail conditions and licenses.

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The Times article shows that dangerous criminals have been released prior to completing their sentence and now they have disappeared off the radar. The early release scheme is designed to relieve prison over-crowding. It seems a little strange that a murderer or rapist can be granted early release, ...

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So it comes back to no compelling reason and no benefit to society. Its only a few weeks since a 73 year old had his disability benefit cut for break dancing on x factor. The benefit to society is that some who actually is a risk or danger to the general public could be housed in the prison place. ...

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You started out by trashing jack straws judgement. And you seek to persuade us that your opinion is more valid. Yet straw would have had all the facts and opinion to enable him to reach a decision. It seems reasonable to accept his decision given that he is elected and paid to decide on these matte...

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I'm just pointing out that there are people out there who are a bigger danger to society than Biggs.

Again, what crime do you think that Biggs is going to commit.

Maybe this article will help you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 650836.ece

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01437/Ronnie-Biggs_1437158c.jpg Hmm, although it's more than likely to be a staged photograph... it does still beg the question... what crime is this guy going to commit? Compare that to http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/805000/images/_806548_john...

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He died of leukemia 7 years after the robbery took place. Obviously his family, the police and the courts have accepted that it was un-connected so what evidence do you have that counts to the contrary? I'm not accting as judge. I'm using the facts that are put in front of me to base my positon on. ...

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Porty wrote: I wouldn't be sure he is immune from complicity in another iconic crime- let's face it he is a cheeky shit.

What iconic crime would that be?

The Great Brazilian Salsa theft?

He's not been convicted or even arrested so it's kind of outrageous to be acting as judge and jury.

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Porty wrote:Inflicting a life of trauma headaches by vicious assault is not a compelling reason for releasing biggs.

No, it's not. However, implying that someone had been killed during the robbery is an untruth and was a reason you used to continue his incarceration.

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What a load of WANKSPEAK! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8131464.stm The Scottish Strategic Priorities document identifies terrorism, drugs, violence and anti-social behaviour as four of the biggest threats. The list is completed by organised crime and public protection offences such as domesti...

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Saw Oasis a couple of weeks back and they were pretty dam good. Aside from the over whelming invasion from the West Coast and the ridiculous bar que it was a great night. Kasabian were really good, only caught the end of The Enemy. Also saw Tam White agian this year. As usualy he was pretty good. Th...

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Nobody died from the assault in the Robbery: "Mills recovered but had constant trauma headaches the rest of his life. He died in 1970 from leukaemia." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_train_robbery_(1963) If they had then someone would have been charged with either the murder or the manslaughter.

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A reserved prison place then... it's like penal bed blocking.

Good article... even if it is in the NOTW:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/columni ... ailed.html

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How is it plain silly? A cell is being used for a decrepit old man when there are sex offenders allowed out on bail because of over-crowding. Even a person carrying an offensive weapon would be better off in that cell. My ponit is that prison should be used for those who are a threat to socitey. Big...

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How would a sex offender only get a short sentence? I don't have faith in Ronnie Biggs. I have faith in the facts and they are clear that he is not a risk to society and there are far more dangerous people out there who are. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way. Biggs is being punished for ma...

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Maybe someone like Paul Flynn, who having met, I can confirm that this man is best off being behind bars: http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/latestnews/Thug-dad-who-raped-teen.5426683.jp But the career criminal, who was out on bail at the time of the attack and was also under a supervised release for...

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It frees up a jail cell for a sex offender or violent maniac.

Prison should be used as a place where offenders are sent to protect society, not as a criminal nursing home.

There are plenty more dangerous people walking the streets that society would benefit from them being in Biggs' cell.

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The Government have released far more dangerous people from prison to walk the streets and re-offend. If Peter Tobin was released he probably would re-offend, it's a bit daft comparing a serial killer to a decrepit old armed robber. Ronnie Biggs cannot walk unaided, he speaks using a childs letter b...

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8129146.stm What is Jack Straw gaining from keeping Biggs locked up? "But the panel added that "in terms of his attitudes and risk areas" there was little evidence, apart from his increased age, to suggest he would not return to his old criminal lifestyle."...

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-People who feel that they HAVE TO SHOUT whilst using a mobile phone (especially on a bus). -Kids who have music blaring out of their mobile phones... whilst on a bus. -Cyclists who feel that red lights do not apply to them. -Cyclists who go up the pavement at a red light and then back onto the road...

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I don't regard it as a park either. Never have. A park to me signifies rather more than just a non-descript grassed area. So why do PPAG keep banging on about 'saving the park'? http://www.collinslanguage.com/results.aspx park (n) 1. a large area of open land for recreational use by the public, 2. ...

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Sorry but I think this discussion is losing the point slightly. My issue is with dog poo and the antisocial nature of it when left behind and not picked up. My petition is about trying to find a way to encourage people not to do this. I agree the majority of dog owners are responsible. If people ha...

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Young children are one thing, however, I would suggest that there are far more children (under 16) who are much more danger to anyone than a dog. And whilst I do bear in mind the unfortunate child in Dalkeith, I also have to balance that out with the amount of crime that is committed by under 16's i...

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Dog shit isn't nice but it is natural. If people didn't own dogs, there would still be dogs and they would shit. As epy says: most owners are responsible and I think a continuation of good practice is enough to keep the problem in check. The other suggestions are too extreme. I do not own a dog. I ...

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What I would agree with is people who buy a dog should attend at least 8 classes of training with their dog. We socialised our dog from 12 weeks old and we continue to train him. I don't see a problem of making people attend these classes which will help train the owner and get the dog used to other...

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I don't mind standing in bird poo. What about if one Ker-aps on you whilst walking under a lamp post, or along Porty High St after the kids have dumped all of their rubbish and went back to school? If people are finding 'dog' mess in one area on a regular occurrence, it may be down to someone leavi...

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Cats, foxs and birds also foul in public. Are there no petitions to start Feline or Avian DNA databases.

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Surely everyone would benefit from preventative measures, such as encouraging dog owners to pick up in the first place. Best to get to the root of the problem. From a cost point of view I am sure that once the goverment stops using taxpayers money to pay for moats and swimming pools in MPs private ...

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If dogs cannot be identified through DNA testing of their faeces, then explain this story on reuters from sept 08 where it is reported that a suburb of Tev Aviv in Israel is currently piloting this very scheme.. http://uk.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUKLG37942520080916 or this Australian com...

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