Talk Porty ~ Portobello

Betty Windsor

Don't believe me. I'd be interested to hear Geoff Lynn's version of events.

Betty Windsor

Yours is the version most of us have to go on and believe me it still didn't look pretty. I also didn't notice Geoff Lynn rush to your defense or in any way corroborate your story.
Telling?

Betty Windsor

seanie wrote:No, the website isn't the official place for parents to put their comments...

Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate it.

Betty Windsor

Geoff -Re consultation. Is the website you mention the official place for parents to put in their comments? If so who wrote the pros and cons? There appear to be a lot of assumptions being made. Were these timescales etc taken directly from the council officials or are PFANS making it up to suit the...

Betty Windsor

Well, if you were at the meeting then you will have been aware that there was a very strong view that there should not be a decant. There was also a discussion about the way forward and that this was followed by a vote which in the vast majority supported the Parents Council pursuing the original p...

Betty Windsor

I wouldn't mind so much if it weren't so full of lies and inaccuracies.

Betty Windsor

Porty wrote:

I know, disgraceful isn't it?

Betty Windsor

I have just read the small print on the recent PFANS leaflet and was very surprised to read that these were issued on behalf of the PHS parent council. I have attended the last two parent council meetings and at no time was there any mention of their involvement in this propaganda exercise. Indeed w...

Betty Windsor

portygeoff wrote:Don't need a plan D because of plan C.

You are clearly not in a hurry.

Betty Windsor

There's no obvious good one. That may well be the case, but I believe that there are many parents who accept the court's decision and want officials to put their energies into finding solutions that work for everyone in the community. Of course nobody is too keen to say this out loud as it is viewe...

Betty Windsor

Cut to the chase Kesia. Private members bill, 6 -9 mths if big Kenny shows his metal and gets the G'ment on board. 2 years to build, new school in under 3 years. Can't see anything quicker. Closest would be be a rebuild on site, plans needed, new place for St John needed, minimum 6 - 8 years if you...

Betty Windsor

The Powerleague site is rarely used during the day. If the council build the school on the Scottish power site they could surely come to some agreement with Powerleague to use the astro turf, so beloved of many PFANs, in school-time. This would allow the site of the new school to be smaller.

Betty Windsor

Betty don't start all that again. The children of Magdalene and the Christians don't use the parks. You know that, we know that. You also know that the children of Magdalene and the Christians matter as much as any child. Which is why there is the fight to get them a new school. Your new attempt to...

Betty Windsor

Or they may decide to stop throwing good money after bad and admit defeat. Then we can all get on with looking for alternatives that do not involve stealing green space. Its not stealing Betty, the Council already owns the green space, that what £25,000 was spent on. If your issue is the total area...

Betty Windsor

Or they may decide to stop throwing good money after bad and admit defeat. Then we can all get on with looking for alternatives that do not involve stealing green space.

Betty Windsor

Anyway, leaving aside these distractions, the most important thing is to find a sensible way forward. So the Council should seek to find a way to overcome the legal judgement, AND - consider an alternative site for the school. I think it's highly unlikely they'll do both. Might be hard to justify t...

Betty Windsor

I know Lady P made that rather careless throwaway remark about it not being self evident that a school advances wellbeing but that wasn't the core of her judgement on the 2003 Act which was that the Act may give Councils very wide powers but it doesn't go so far as to allow them to override normal ...

Betty Windsor

The clue is in the word "inaliable".

Betty Windsor

Porty wrote: I doubt PPAG did much research but they are definitely and solely responsible for the suggestion.

They maybe responsible for the suggestion but you are surely not suggesting that they are responsible for the council agreeing with them?

Betty Windsor

If found not Common Good Land, PPAG's case has no foundation in Law. Could CEC sue for frivolous litigation without substance and claim for legal costs incured? I ask this, not as a wind up, but I presume that there are some learned in the laws of Scotland who could inform us. PPAG would not be pop...

Betty Windsor

In that case the Council should appeal if they think that's the next step. At the moment, before they've appealed, or if they decide not to appeal, or nobody can prove the land isn't CG, the school isn't going on your preferred site. Just as it was going on the Park after the first court judgement....

Betty Windsor

Those of us of a more cynical nature, believed that using the name "Portobello Park" instead of, and not as well as "the Golfie", meant that many people in the area did not engage in the "democratic consultation" because they thought it was somewhere else. I understand that, normally when these type...

Betty Windsor

I must admit I have always referred to the whole area (pitches included) as the 'Golfie'. Clearly I was wrong but that is what many of us used to call it when we were at school. 8) No more "wrong" than calling Abercorn park the Daisy park. Most local people still call it the Golfie and indeed only ...

Betty Windsor

I wonder what a new build can provide that a refurb can't. The current building can certainly accommodate 1400 + pupils. I don't understand why there is more concern over the area that the school sits on than the actual floor space. This could look really amazing if the right people were brought in ...

Betty Windsor

I do find it odd that we don't refurb instead of pulling down if the basic structure is sound. We wouldn't do this with our own homes as the cost would be prohibitive. Why then do we not even consider it for public buildings? Right. But you've got things the wrong way round. It is much more cost ef...

Betty Windsor

Betty, I base my opinion that the building is not adequate on the experts. I read, listen, take in and come to conclusions based on their assessments and expertise. I also listen to what the pupils and teachers say and come to conclusions based on their experiences. I read, listen and take in what ...

Betty Windsor

"Also not sure why you would end up with an "inadequate" building when it has been perfectly adequate for the thousands of pupils who have attended over the last 50 years" If it were perfectly adequate, would we be looking at replacing it? Would PPAG be saying that they agreed that a new school was...

Betty Windsor

A refurb will be off the table because the building form is fundamentally ill suited to a school. It certainly wouldn't be a cheap or cost effective option, even before you consider the cost and educational disruption of an extended decant. At the end of it you'd still have a inadequate building co...

Betty Windsor

Maybe with a school like PHS it could be done n a phased way and there may be no need for full decant. Castlebrae is well under capacity and could cope with a few portacabins. Holyrood is also at least 100 short on capacity so with a few portacabins could accommodate more. The host schools may not b...

Betty Windsor

So you are too old to have kids going to the new school so why do you 'give a toss' about the school being built on Porty Park? Is it the loss of green space (shown to be a farcical ploy by Park Avenue residents) or do you want everyone else's kids to 'tolerate the school in the state it is in' as ...

Betty Windsor

If a refurbed tower can provide everything a new build can (including access to two GRASS pitches up the road in Porty Park) what objection could anyone actually have to it except that it is a tower? Maybe we're now getting to the real issue-some parents just don't want their kids going to school in...

Betty Windsor

Re Only those born in Porty being allowed to have a view. Dear Betty, the statement was discussed on the other forum. I was actually named and when I said this was outrageous and would be considered racist if I was black I was threatened with with the police and their partner had a go at me in a lo...

Betty Windsor

usage, or lack of Thank you for your honesty, better late than never. =D> I am well aware that the park has been underused of late, especially since the council dug it up for the archeological dig and didn't bother to fill in the holes. Also when they stopped taking bookings for the weekend footbal...

Betty Windsor

Oh, one other thing. One PPAG supporter argued that if there was to be a referendum it should be Edinburgh wide. Er isn't this the same group where a number of its members went unchallenged when arguing that only those born in Porty should have a say in the issue. Oh how times change. :roll: I am a...

Betty Windsor

If there were a rebuild on the existing site presumably the relatively new gym, at least, would remain in its current form. Having been trawling the internet looking at tower refurbs, I think that it's worth looking at more seriously. I also like the Commander's ideas and would like to know more abo...

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